Leonidas

Ben, I do believe that you have posted some of the most inteligent stuff TG has ever seen. And, it comes from experience, not CNN.

I totally agree with Ben, I really could not have said it better. Its easy for westerners to call what he says "politicaly incorrect", but they have not lived among these animals.

What kind of human beings hack apart a young couple, just married, outside a cafe, with hatchets? Or detonates a bomb on a bus full of school children? Or brakes into a police station and cuts apart the protectors of the people inside, dumping the pieces out the window, to the cheers of a mob made up of not just men, but women and children? That is not human. That is animalistic. That is not worthy of the title of human.

Not all of them are animals, obviusly, but a good sized portion of them are, at least compared to any other religion.

THERE IS SIMPLY NO COMPARISON OF THE HORRORS CAUSED BY ISLAMIC RADICALS AND THAT CAUSED BY ANY OTHER RELIGION IN RECENT TIMES.

Stop trying to compare this to the crusades. That was a completely different age. We are talking about now, judging by todays standards, not those of 1200.

And to those that said that if you do not follow your holy texts to the letter, you are not a true practitioner of that religion: Look at Lucky Shot's post! So, any Muslim who does not kill every infidel he can is not a true muslim, right? Is there ANY line in the bible that says as plainly as the Koran, that you should go out and kill every infidel in sight? Or in the Tora? No, there is not.

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Trooper

well said leo and ben.
nice job using actually exprience ben.! +rep when i can

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CingularDuality

You have to realize that your opinion is (obviously to the rest of us) very much clouded by emotion. Your hatred seeps out of every word you type. I empathize with your position, but I don't fully agree with it.

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BEN,

How very un politicaly correct of you....

BRAVO...!!!

Way too many people are concerned over others sensitivities (and what MAY offend them) then the lives of themselves and their families.

If such a small thing as these cartoons can enrage people what other small things may encite them?

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Ben

Your ignorance of the situation is your excuse for your passive nature. You cannot remain passive to the evils of the world and HELL YES I hate the people that kill mine.

Can I say it any louder? I do NOT turn the other cheek, that is not my belief. I defend against brutality.

I HATE THE FANATICS THAT KILL AND HAVE LIT THE WORLD ON FIRE WITH THEIR SICK BEHAVIOR.

You can go on with your typing but I have to fight these non-humans. Enjoy your freedom.

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AMosely

I completely respect the viewpoints presented in this thread, and can appreciate Ben's frustration having visited many parts of Israel and living in the country for 6 months. I have studied and followed this conflict for 20 years and cannot believe the level of pain and suffering it has left in its wake on both sides.

However, I've seen a few postings in this thread that are generalizing the Muslim religion. We all need to bear in mind that it is a mistake to confuse Palestinian radicals with Muslims in general. While their stated motives and causes may be similar, the Palestinians are a displaced and desperate people, many of whom have been raised in unbelievable violent and opressed environments. While this serves as no excuse, it must be brought into consideration when analyzing the Palestinian/Israeli conflict.

Every nation on earth has resorted to terrorist tactics at one time or another, and every one attempts to justify it.

Leonidas

I believe you have at least one child, right Cing?

Well, imagine the threat that some animal, under the label of "human", got onto the bus along with the kids and commuters. Then, simply because your child was an "infidel", he detonates his bomb(Or, as all to often happens, his false courage falters, and his "controllers" have to detonate it by remote) .

Can you imagine living with this every day? Having it happen to those around you, and possibly, to you and your's? How can you not hate these people? You even make excuses for them!

Well, as soon as that happens to you, I'm sure you'll be just as gung ho as anyone else. The sad thing is, it would take that to do it. When you see that a bomb in Israel just blew up, do you understand that those people just died? Or do you just see a number?

Do you understand that when you see that three Marines, out country's finest, just died, that they have ceased to be? That they will only come home in a box?

Because it does not effect us directly, we do not understand the reality of the situation. All we see is a number. Now, I have an advantage, I'm closer to it. My father is, right now, deployed in defence of our country, and has been many times in the past.

You see a number. I see men like my father, with families, sons, daughters, wives.

I do NOT think this is all muslims. But the problem is part of Islam, not just the people.

AMosely: Its not just Palestinians. Its muslims from many different countries. Arabs, Africans, Asians, you can find this in many different countries, with different people. You can find terrorists and animals among white, black and yellow muslims. From the balkans to russia, from palistine to yemen, from south africa to cairo. from burma to korea.

Once this kind of barbarism is found among so many different kinds of people, when will it cease to be about being a Palestinian or an arab, and become an admited problem of Islam?

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"O xein angellein lakedaimoniois hoti tede keimetha tois keinon rhemasi peithomenoi"- Monument, Thermopylae

Ben

amen to THAT.

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Ben

Also, Mosely, i am not just referring to Palestinian Arabs. I am referring to global Islam. Just turn on the news.

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Ben

Cing, this is your quote..

"Videos to focus your passion...

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No, not that kind of passion...

Every few weeks/months, I watch all of these videos. They remind me of why we're at war, what we're fighting for, what our men and women are going through, why we're able to sit at computers and play games and so much more... These videos should not only make you think, but they should make you feel differently. I remember the upsurge in patriotism that overcame the United States in the days and weeks that followed the tragedy in September of 2001. I want that patriotism back."

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Cing, what is your thought on 9/11 ? is it because of global radicalization of the Muslims or not?
You want patriotism?? I want to stop these animals from killing innocents all over the world in the name of Allah.
You encourage people to watch vid's of planes that were hijacked by muslim terrorists slamming into the Twin Towers, starting a global war on terror, and you think that "Hatred seeps out of every word i type"?
Man, i think you should reconsider telling people to watch movies based on real life events in which our own people get slaughtered like pigs, by Muslim killers, simply because they exist.

Try to get the story straight.

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SmokingTarpan

Considering how large a chunk of the world's conflicts throughout history have started due to religion, it doesn't sound so bad, does it? Take away religion, and you take away a sizeable chunk of war. Will it ever happen, though? No.

Ben, I understand that you're in the thick of the situation, and want to express your views. That's fine. However, to me (and apparently others), your tone comes off being just as radical as those you oppose. You say repeatedly that you don't hate all muslims, but then you immediately follow that up with paragraph upon paragraph of rhetoric saying Islam is flawed and muslims (albeit "modern muslims") are bad, and that you want to destroy them. On top of that, you vehemently denounce anyone who disagrees with you in the slightest, claiming that they can't know anything simply because their not seeing mangled body parts. I would ask that for the sake of civility, you rein in your tone some. I don't mean turn all PC, but take the heat out, because all I see is "Muslims are bad, kill them all." I know that's not what you mean, but it's how I and presumably others are taking it.

As for those who think that you can't have a good/valid opinion on the matter unless you're actually stuck in the middle of the mess, well, there's a reason why couples getting a divorce usually hire a third-party arbiter.

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Leonidas

You know, when Aeroripper or Diceman get heated, you don't chide them.


And no, he was talking about the non-humans that do this sort of thing, NOT ALL MUSLIMS. Is that so hard to understand? And Islam IS the problem. Also, I can't remember when they made it against the rules to disagree with someone. Look at, again, Areoripper or Diceman.



See my above posts, I've already made my argument. You seem to have jumped right over them.

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"O xein angellein lakedaimoniois hoti tede keimetha tois keinon rhemasi peithomenoi"- Monument, Thermopylae

Ben

I have never said destroy all muslims. You must not be reading straight. My opinion is as clear as day.

1) Islam is flawed or else we would not be seeing a global terror Jihad based on Muslim values

2) I am a strong believer that you should rise up against this evil in every corner of the world where it shows it's ugly head

3) How do you propose to "know" about the situation unless you are involved in that situation. You Dont "know", rather you feel. I know and I feel based upon facts on the ground, be it the battle field or just living amongst Radical Islam.

4) A Third party arbiter does not "know" the situation that the couple is going thru, this third party simply feels for them both. Only the 2 parties that are in the midst of the situation can ultimately come to a mutual conclusion based upon their common experience.

5) How do you remove the "heat" out of a discussion that involves the life and death of your people? if that doesnt fire you up then you must already be dead.

And, as I keep saying, if you all continue to placate and soft sell this issue you will be the next offerings on the altar of Allah. These non-humans do not want to negotiate nor do they want money, they simply want death.
Bin Laden said it right in a taped interview post 9/11. He says, and I quote..."The Americans will never understand..they love life and we love death."

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Ben

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Leonidas again.

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Boot

Some have said that religion is about economics. Once the rulers got over the idea of a supreme power, they realized they could oppress the people even stronger, since they had an outlet to help them feel better about being so oppressed.

Ironically, most wars (even the crusades) are about economics too. Can't feed your people? Well, we can always pack some off to war... Foreign war is the most surefire way to safely burn off excess population. I say safely, because plague depopulates but there's always a chance the rulers will lose some family members.

The present mideast situation is no different. Fundamental XXXXism allows people to focus their energy towards an external hated group, instead of towards domestic issues like unemployment, tyranny and oppression. With all that oil money rolling in, why is the standard of living so poor? Where's the money going? Who cares, there's XXXXs to hate. Pass me a molotav cocktail.

Perfect example: Why does the Iranian newspaper challenge focus on the holocost? Wouldn't it be more appropriate retaliation to make editorial cartoons about Danish people looking like pastries? Oops, don't ask that question, let's go burn something.

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