Buck Fush

No, thank you. My emotions are still raw enough from 9/11. I don't ever need to see images from that day again. I still have the same felling in the pit of my stomach writing this today as I did 4 1/2 years ago when I watched those towers collapse.

Look. You post this thread where you blatantly make parallels between 9/11 and Iraq and then tell people that this is not a thread open to political discussion. If you want a non-political thread, then make a new one called "Remember 9/11" or re-write this one to only refer to Afghanistan and I'm sure everyone will agree with you.

We do remember. Do you?

Quest Shady

Unfortunatly I think a lot of people have "Moved On" so to speak...nothing has happened to us in a bit, back to the Super Bowl and our daily lives....

Even I have to catch myself and recall that there is EVIL out there and it wants us dead.

For those that wish us to leave them alone just remember that they will come again...and if we do not fight them it just puts evil on a moral ground with everyone else....

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CingularDuality

In less than a month, it will have been 5 years since these horrible attacks. Are you still angry when you think about them?

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Steeler

Yep, but not for the reasons you want, most likely.

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Wimpinator

This is not a video but everyone should see it. This is the firefighter fatality database from 2001. Select 2001 as the "Death Year"

USFA Firefighters Memorial Database

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Bump for the anniversary...

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USN_Squid

I don't mean to detract from the videos, but this thread has taken on the semblance of a memorial, so I'll put this here.

There is a project called The 2996 Project (mirror). The site is down today due to traffic, but check back and browse through it when you can. 2996 people died on 9-11 and The 2996 Project attempted to get 2996 bloggers to make a post on each victim to commemorate the 5th anniversary of that day.

Here are some of them (here is another memorial site with friends and families notes):
Sparks From The Anvil - David Reed Gamboa-Brandhorst
The Anchoress - Matthew David Garvey
Katey’s Kafe - Joao Aguair
Webloggin - Douglas B. Gardner
StikNStein - Anthony Tempesta
Rhymes With Right - Anthony “Tony” Karnes
Plancks Constant - Terrence E Adderley
GM’s Corner - Lt. Col. Jerry Dickerson
Neo-Neocon - Glenn Wilkinson
Discarded Lies - David Berray

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USN_Squid

Composite photos of all but a few of the victims.

http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/jpg/P200336.jpg

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Acid

Now that is a strong image ^^

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CingularDuality

When thinking about voting, watch these videos and think, I mean REALLY think about which candidate would react to these in the way that you'd like.

Don't be afraid to vote for who you want, just get passionate again. Realize the enormity of the situation. Just because it hasn't happened again for 5 years doesn't mean it can't happen again. We can't forget.

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CingularDuality

I went to New York last week and got to walk around "Ground Zero". It was pretty tough. I didn't meet any cops that were working that day, but there were cops all over the place. It was truly a sobering experience.

Then, tonight, I ran across this video that I had never seen before: WTC collapse from practically underneath it. Man, the audio is unreal... I can't even imagine...

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It's sad in itself that we need something like this to be passionate about voting, especially when foreign policy and 'homeland security' are not even close to the only things your votes can change, there are many other subjects that seem often overlooked these days when people vote.

I understand your post cingular and am not critising it in any means.

Kittamaru

I beg of you all, do not remember 9/11 as a time just of loss and grief- it was a time of maturity for this country. For so long we have stood tall as perhaps the single most powerful, proudest country. We were, and to some extent still are, the global police force... on that tragic day we learned that we too are vulnerable. We learned the harsh reality of what some people face every day... we learned that we were human. Many of us found humanity that we had long forgotten- many men, taught never to cry or show their emotions, had stains of clear running down otherwise soot covered faces; many far from the sites of ground zero felt their heartstrings tighten as they watched these videos... and a heroic few on flight 93 found the courage to fight back and, perhaps, save our nation from a far larger calamity. I can't say for sure what happened in that plane that day, but I know this.

I'm a native of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. I am, literally, not more than a 2 hours drive from where that plane crashed. On the day of 9/11 my school didn't even let us know... the administration at Central Dauphin school district is, in my mind, condemmed for such an act. They told us that the reports coming in were rumors and to remain in class. The teachers knew the truth... and showed us the truth. Many refused to teach, and some even left. Hundreds of students were picked up by parents who wanted to keep them safe. I remember going home on the bus and turning on the TV, not really sure what was going on... and... and then I almost can't remember. I saw the fire... the smoke... the wreckage. It was as though I could feel everyone's pain all of a sudden... and I wept bitterly. I was only 13 years old at the time... they showed our Pentagon and I was furious that God would allow something like this to happen... I called my mother and father and asked them what I should do. They both told me to stay inside and that they would be home shortly... and then they said about Flight 93... how it had been hijacked and was still flying. They gave predictions about where it migh be headed- some said Washington DC, some said to finish off the Pentagon or the White house... and one local reporter feared it might be headed to Harrisburg... Harrisburg PA, home of the Three Mile Island nuclear power plant. I live, literally, less than 20 miles from there. I was, for the first time ever, fearful for my life. I feared I would never see my family again if this plane did hit TMI. It was built to withstand the impact of a 727 ramming into it... but we were talking about a much larger impact... a far larger plane. I wept... I wept for those that died... for those that lived on without their loved ones... and for myself... fear of the unknown, anger for what has happened... and hatred at myself for being so weak. For being unable to help.

Now, 5 years later, I know what I can do to help. I will never forget the events that happened that day... the way I felt, the way I feared... the way I loved. That day my family changed... my father had always been distant, and my mother sometimes overburdened... since then we have been closer than ever. It took a tragedy to bring us back together again... as it did the entire country.


It was no ones fault... there's no black and white.
Only you and me... on this endless night.
And as the hours run away... in another life.
Darling can't you see... its' now or never
It's now or never.

We were unsure what to do... unsure how to act. How do you live after something like this had happened? How do you cope with this loss? My dad was hit hard... he had a good friend that was in one of the buildings near ground zero with his wife.

My mother was afraid of what would happen to me and my little brother, who was only 5 at the time this happened... old enough to know that something horrible had happened, yet too young to understand what really happened... he still has vivid memories of the pictures he saw, yet can only now grasp what truely happened... perhaps that was what hit me hardest.

This year, while the tributes were playing and everyone was remembering, my brothers room was being renovated. We both slept togethers downstairs in my bed untill his room was done. On the 12th we went to bed like any other night... but he turned to me, teary eyed, and asked me if they were okay. I didn't know what he meant... so he said the people in those buildings that got hit by the planes. Are they alright. I... cried. I didn't know what to say. With one question, a nine year old had brought an 18 year old to tears.

I guess I'm rambling at this point... I will admit, I don't like that my countryment are over in Iraq dying still... I don't like how this was handled... so much more could have been done to insure their safety... proper ballistics armor, immediate implimentation of the sniper detection and triangulation system, proper minesweeping techniques... so much could have been done to reduce the losses our boys have suffered... yet they are still willingly fighting... protecting what they know is right. They are fighting to save a nation filled with people that don't even appreciate what they do. Not the Iraqies... who most of which probably don't appreciate it... but we fellow Americans. We will probably never know what it's like to fight in a war; to see a squadmates head expload as he's hit by a sniper; to have a 400 pound explosive detonate, ripping your APC to shreds; to be shot; to kill another. But I hope to god we can appreciate what they do so we dont have to.

Remember, friends, remember what has happened. Remember why we fight this war... and remember what is worth dying for. Freedom is not a right... it's a privilage in this world. A privilage our forefathers fought viciously for and won for us. Now it's out turn to stand up and protect it. To fight for what we know is right. All I ask is that you don't remember 9/11 for just our losses... but for what we gained that day. I know I'm young... at 18 I have yet to see much of the world... but I am wisened by what I have seen... by those who I've met... and by everyone that has touched my life. I am truely blessed... and I hope that each and every one of you can find a way that they too have been blessed.

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DudeMan

its strange, i was thousands of miles away from New york, although my mind is telling me i was there. i watched the 2nd plane hit live on tv, and that moment is immortalised in my head. its just ridiculous, people even in this country, 1 year on from the tube bombings are dismissing any mor attacks as over dramatisation. i think a few more people especially in the media need to be reminded of what actually happened that day. i dont think it matters where you were september 11...

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"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

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It matters.

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