U.S. fires on Iraqi wedding party - Page 3

**CingularDuality** · 05-21-2004, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Zebra

Privately owned firearms could have made this whole situation avoidable if somebody had put a bullet in Saddam years ago.

Indeed .

**DudeMan** · 05-21-2004, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Gyrapage

A soldier serving in Iraq said today on the radio that almost every Iraq has an automatic rifle and/or pistol.

Yeah, it's pretty rediculous that they've been allowed to keep them and fire them in celebration... it's pretty conflicting.

ok ill post it again... or reply again.. so this has no depth to it at all,

as i have said a long time ago, alot if not most iraqis per household have a firearm.

and there is alot with automatic firearms..

so why again are the coalition over there...

**CingularDuality** · 05-21-2004, 11:59 AM

*Somewhat graphic*

Only the Government will have guns.jpg

**DudeMan** · 05-21-2004, 12:02 PM

well only the governemnt had guns in the UNited kingdom for centuries, privatly owned hand guns and shotguns under strict rules is all we were allowed...

i dont recall anyone mass killing in this country, i dont recall any of it... at all..

but the sale and ownership of guns in iraq is totally legal and people owned them under sadam... but did that stop any of the atrocities...

no it didnt.

so your point about people not owning guns and the government commitiing atrocities is kind of shot in the foot..

because iraqis had guns and it took the coalition to stop him..

oh well, any more propaganda posters that you want torn to shreds.

**CingularDuality** · 05-21-2004, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

oh well, any more propaganda posters that you want torn to shreds.

Try facts instead of exaggerations and we'll talk.

**DudeMan** · 05-21-2004, 12:15 PM

wait a second how is it not propaganda,

propaganda does not have to be lies, merely facts displayed in a hugely biased way to make someone believe your persuation.

i will not deny that the statements made are probably true, however it doesnt recognise the countries around the world that have never had a problem like that and they have a no gun law,

and by the way i am not certain and i will look it up but in germany during the 1920s a cou by the communists in germany was put down by the people in germany not the army.

they had guns, and so did the socialists, although im not sure of the origins..

but if my comment was in your opinion not fact at all but an exaduration then please explain to me what this is.

"gun control is the prerequisite to genocide"

because it is factually untrue in the united Kingdom and also in Iraq where alot of the population have guns and alot also have automatic rifles,

it didnt stop the genocide that happened with the chemical weapons or the torture and opression.

so if we want to say that the poster is not propaganda then why is the poster displaying a wide and generalised assumption that is untrue.

**DudeMan** · 05-21-2004, 12:26 PM

oh and just a bit of FYI the general public in Russia and Germany were largely unawear of their governemnts actions,

especially in russia with the gulags the russian people did not know that stalin was doing this and even the people in the gulag didnt know stalin knew about it.

i have seen first hand from 3-4 russian survivors who say they used to say to themselfs if only stalin knew this was happening he would sort it all out.

the fact is here that control over the press and secrecy kept the large majority of people in russia and germany unawear and ignorant to the atrocities being committed.

and both of those circumstances were off of an economic blunder and depression that meant that radicalists such as these people were alowed to roam free..

and those who did opose stalin were killed anyway, kind of a good incentive to just roll with the puches.

Emanon · 05-21-2004, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostintheShell

A satcom phone isn't necessarily a piece of military hardware. Its basically a bigger cellphone but it directly links up to the satellites and is used in remote areas where there's no cell towers to place regular phone calls. The military uses these for some comm's, and I've seen journalists over there reporting in with them.

They fire rifles into the air in celebration at weddings, it's one of their customs for celebrations, everyone knows that. Our customs say that we exchange rings, throw rice, carry the bride over the threshhold, whatever. They probably seem weird to them as well. But, who's right is it to make them not do those things.

"Is this the freedom that Bush has brought us?", is probably the most memorable line in that entire story to me.

The attack happened about 2:45 a.m.

**DudeMan** · 05-21-2004, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Emanon

The attack happened about 2:45 a.m.

whats your point...?

**Wolfie** · 05-21-2004, 12:44 PM

Has anyone yet clarified if it was an AC130 gunship or helicopters? Cause according to the accusers, it was helicopters while the American command is saying a gunship.

Whichever it turns out to be would support either side (it is pretty hard to confuse the 2).

**DudeMan** · 05-21-2004, 12:47 PM

yesi noticed that , i put it down to either, lies from the iraqis or confusion on their part becasue well who was looking when they ran for their lives....

**Wolfie** · 05-21-2004, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostintheShell

I don't know why a AC130 would be called in either. Maybe it was close by in the air and available, I don't know. Its a helluva big gunship to be called in even for 40-100 people with small arms.

When you make war with an enemy, you go all the way. AC130 is an easy way of taking out a large group of enemy soldiers with minimal risk to your own side.

War is not a sport where you play "fair". Your job is cause as many casualities to the other side while minimizing yours.....

The cost of ammunition is cheaper than the lives of your troops....

**Zebra** · 05-21-2004, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

ok ill post it again... or reply again.. so this has no depth to it at all,

as i have said a long time ago, alot if not most iraqis per household have a firearm.

and there is alot with automatic firearms..

so why again are the coalition over there...

Maybe it has something to do with their culture. We wouldn't stand for the crap they tolerated from their government. Most of them accepted it, and quite a few of them actively participated in oppressing and brutalizing their own people. Same thing's happening in every other country over there.

Tbph, these people seem like the worst sort of sheep, and I don't think any of them are worth a drop of American blood. If they don't want to live under tyrants, they should get off their asses and help fight. Just my opinion though.

LOWDRAG · 05-21-2004, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

When you make war with an enemy, you go all the way. AC130 is an easy way of taking out a large group of enemy soldiers with minimal risk to your own side.

War is not a sport where you play "fair". Your job is cause as many casualities to the other side while minimizing yours.....

The cost of ammunition is cheaper than the lives of your troops....

YOU SIR ARE CORRECT...

THEY DONT REALIZE IT'S THE SAME THING AS A TOMAHAWK BEING FIRED FROM A SHIP A COUPLE HUNDRED MILES AWAY ....

**Overlag** · 05-21-2004, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDRAG

Less press there...

And really do you think we'd let you handle a hot spot.. ;-)

yup... but how many americans have we shot? At least we think before firing.........

05-21-2004, 11:59 AM	#33 (permalink)
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05-21-2004, 12:02 PM	#34 (permalink)
DudeMan Join Date: May 2003 Location: london England Age: 22 Posts: 3,258	Re: U.S. fires on Iraqi wedding party well only the governemnt had guns in the UNited kingdom for centuries, privatly owned hand guns and shotguns under strict rules is all we were allowed... i dont recall anyone mass killing in this country, i dont recall any of it... at all.. but the sale and ownership of guns in iraq is totally legal and people owned them under sadam... but did that stop any of the atrocities... no it didnt. so your point about people not owning guns and the government commitiing atrocities is kind of shot in the foot.. because iraqis had guns and it took the coalition to stop him.. oh well, any more propaganda posters that you want torn to shreds.

05-21-2004, 12:15 PM	#36 (permalink)
DudeMan Join Date: May 2003 Location: london England Age: 22 Posts: 3,258	Re: U.S. fires on Iraqi wedding party wait a second how is it not propaganda, propaganda does not have to be lies, merely facts displayed in a hugely biased way to make someone believe your persuation. i will not deny that the statements made are probably true, however it doesnt recognise the countries around the world that have never had a problem like that and they have a no gun law, and by the way i am not certain and i will look it up but in germany during the 1920s a cou by the communists in germany was put down by the people in germany not the army. they had guns, and so did the socialists, although im not sure of the origins.. but if my comment was in your opinion not fact at all but an exaduration then please explain to me what this is. "gun control is the prerequisite to genocide" because it is factually untrue in the united Kingdom and also in Iraq where alot of the population have guns and alot also have automatic rifles, it didnt stop the genocide that happened with the chemical weapons or the torture and opression. so if we want to say that the poster is not propaganda then why is the poster displaying a wide and generalised assumption that is untrue.

05-21-2004, 12:26 PM	#37 (permalink)
DudeMan Join Date: May 2003 Location: london England Age: 22 Posts: 3,258	Re: U.S. fires on Iraqi wedding party oh and just a bit of FYI the general public in Russia and Germany were largely unawear of their governemnts actions, especially in russia with the gulags the russian people did not know that stalin was doing this and even the people in the gulag didnt know stalin knew about it. i have seen first hand from 3-4 russian survivors who say they used to say to themselfs if only stalin knew this was happening he would sort it all out. the fact is here that control over the press and secrecy kept the large majority of people in russia and germany unawear and ignorant to the atrocities being committed. and both of those circumstances were off of an economic blunder and depression that meant that radicalists such as these people were alowed to roam free.. and those who did opose stalin were killed anyway, kind of a good incentive to just roll with the puches.

05-21-2004, 12:44 PM	#40 (permalink)
Wolfie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 1,405	Re: U.S. fires on Iraqi wedding party Has anyone yet clarified if it was an AC130 gunship or helicopters? Cause according to the accusers, it was helicopters while the American command is saying a gunship. Whichever it turns out to be would support either side (it is pretty hard to confuse the 2).

05-21-2004, 12:47 PM	#41 (permalink)
DudeMan Join Date: May 2003 Location: london England Age: 22 Posts: 3,258	Re: U.S. fires on Iraqi wedding party yesi noticed that , i put it down to either, lies from the iraqis or confusion on their part becasue well who was looking when they ran for their lives....

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