DudeMan

i would just like to say at this point really spured on by what deranger said, about the terror going on for generations and how you will never stop it,

if you had asked a person living in the united kingdom what the hell was going to happen with the IRA and if they thought it would end, they would have said, no way, not until we (brits) give in to their demands.

the IRA had terrorissed the UK for 50 years, most predominantly for the last 30 years, 1970's onwards. and it seemed like we could not sort out the problem. and to those people who question whether occupations and killing of these terrorists i will say this, it was reported at the time that sectarian lmillitant groups, (people who wicshed to remain part of the UK) was going into the homes of IRA leaders and killing them. surprisingly few were found by the British or Irish police. why because as recent secret files became public the SAS was tasked to do it, and they would walk in past all these guys friends wifes and family and shoot only the one person, then walk out.

this happened for months, and when we look at what terrorism gained and the state of affairs today, we see this

the IRA were fighting to end occupation in the North, did they get it

NO

the were fighting to have the north disbanded, did they get is

NO

British troops still occupy the area and there is no governemnt in power in the north only talks,

because the IRA were so badly demoralised and baisically killed off one by one, they kind of lost interest in fighting.

and the North of Ireland still bares the Saint Georges cross, and is still a aprt of the United Kingdom.

so they gained nothing, and the marks of what we are doing around the world today are similar, occupation followed by the systematic killing of all involved with terror.

when you question our intentions and question whether this will suceed you remember one thing, the people behind this campaign are whole and good people. the believe in the security of the world because
nobody else does it. and they are willing to put up arms and thrust upon those people who threaten that spirit anything that they have to hand, with this kind of support, from the same people who fought in the trenches and landed on the beachs, we will not and cannot loose.

it is not a short war, but it is a good war, we are fighting for a reason and that is what will pull all of the men and women who serve in the forces into winning an overall victory.

if we do not fight this war, then who will, there is no support, Britain and America have stood up and the rest of the world has shown complaicency, and this in its self is proof that terroism doesnt work, because Britain and America are the countries that have repeatedly suffered at the hands of terror and it has only installed a feeling of dunkirk spirit, not made us run like the rest of europe.

DeRanger

That's such a poor comparison there Dude, its not even relevant. I think you missed your calling, why aren't you in the military? By your logic then it would have been even better to carpet bomb Northern Ireland. There is no question that terrorism cannot be left to flourish but there has to be a better way than to decimate entire countries. Live by the sword, die by the sword, round and round we go.

All you proponents of these resent wars seem to value the galantry of what is being done in the Middle East so much without seemingly realizing (or giving a rat's ass) who created the mess in the first place. Russia is not much of a power anymore so unfortunately it is the duty of the Western nations (primarily the U.S.) to try and clean-up their own mess than anything else. If perpetuating and exacerbating the problem melts your butter then go to town. I'm certain all the G.I. Joes out there will take offense but nothing a good barbecue can't fix.

Why isn't the U.S. shipping barbecues to Iraq instead of Hummers, that could be a defining moment in the elustrious career of George W. and his band or reknowned. Getting those Iraqis to grill their cous cous might pose problems though, you'd better have a few divisions standing by in the event force is necessary.

<agrees to disagree>

DudeMan

militant islam has been around for centuries before america was even a western country or known about,

there religion dictates in it that anyone different are not submitting to alah and therefroe should die and face alah./

cant blaim militant islam on america and my point about northern ireland is totally relevant, the onbly difference is we didnt have to face tanks when we occupied, and it is a seemingly small area so bombs and ac130s not needed,

does not mean the parallel between the tactic of killing all the terror leaders and what the US is doing.... killing or captuiring all the terror leaders is not there.. because they are exactly the same.

oh and russia armed these people, they carry ak47's and drive t72's t80's....

Wolfie

Terrorism has been around since the early days of man, I don't see how the US is to be at fault for the actions of today's terrorists. If it wasn't something the US did, they would be blaming someone else. OBL hated the US because Christians were in the holy land and "defiled" it (back during the first Gulf War when SA asked the US for military support to protect itself from Iraq). A lot of Arabs hate the US because we support Israel's right to exist (but we don't support Israel's heavy handed tactics). North Koreans hate the US because the US invaded them in the 1950s (after a war they started against their southern neighbor, South Korea, who happened to be a democratic country). It is and will always be a matter of perspective.

Has every nation did something that they are not proud of? Yes they have. Has the US done things in hindsight it shouldn't have? Yes. Did this latest action help the terrorists cause? Of course it did, but it is looking like it was a spin of events, a lie proprogated by those that want others to believe in bad things against the US. If the US didn't do this, would those that support terrorism find something else to further their cause? Yes they would.

DudeMan

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and i tried to explain earlier that terrorism and militant islam aswell as many other religions havce been around for centuries...

phyllis

Gentleman.... agree to disagree...fine...but keep things on topic please.

...actually this whole thread is getting a little off-topic, anymore fussing about editing/deleting, will get the thread locked/removed...

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DudeMan

hey now come on so those people didnt participate, but they should be punnished...not all

and i think it still is on topic, there is no discussion on the actual event but discussion around it, i dont think it is off topic to the point where it is closed and i think most people are displaying great restraint in a discussion thet has clearly a divided audience.

DudeMan

thank you phyllis for just removing offending posts, now could we get back to the issue at hand,

leejo have you seen any news articles yet that put a posotive spi on this yet, i know you said to wait and we will see.

phyllis

Dude...stop replying to DeR's posts....he's baiting you...and you're taking it...

DeR...if you have something constructive to add...fine...otherwise, just read ....

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DeRanger

So, "positive spin" on such a situation is what would satisfy you, that's what your saying? I understand it goes great spread over ribs on the barbeque.

CingularDuality

Dude, you're making me hungry, knock it off...

Spin is never desired, IMO. I'm hoping the facts support a story that is certainly more positive than the "wedding party" one...

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Wolfie

Noticed how the article didn't say anything about the video "showing" the attack by American helicopters? From the article, it sounds just like a video showing the people before the "incident" and nothing to back up the claims of American helicopters "gunning" down an innocent bridal party.

xliipapa6

What strikes me as odd is, the first news reports about this wedding party were...women and children killed.

Now, We find that we were right about our target. There were weapons and stuff stored. No women and children. what gets me in this was, who the hell let's thier kids stay up to 2:45am as stated in the news reports? I knew something was fishy when I heard about it. Besides this was near the Syrian border, another country who sponsors terrorism.

What the hell is wrong with these media companies? they throw a story about this...then they say that. seems that it would be better to wait and get all your info then say what you have to say. Our own news media are listening to Arabic news media before our own. I think the media is the biggest problem to our warriors. They are getting pissed off from the "spin" of these stories. I know, I've spoken to alot of these guys coming home injured from Iraq at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in DC. The news media are to blame.

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Zebra

Except for all those dead and wounded women and children. I'm sure it's all lies.