DudeMan

ok frij an ac130 flies over head and shoots at your street because of gun smugglers,

telling me you wouldnt get hit,

its clear that some innocnents were hit but they are not a lone hut surrounded by nothing in open desert this was a street, it wasnt a single house no nieghbours and no people around for miles.

doesnt mean we aimed at the wedding just means wrong place wrong time. horrible as it is, thats war.

xliipapa6

An AC130 can put a bullet every square inch If I remember correctly. So if you use an AC130 on a football field, I believe every square inch of the field should've been hit by a bullet. very accurate.

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DudeMan

well thats military propaganda i have seen a video of an ac130 trying to shoot things, they are accurate but they are not that accurate,

however, this is ofcourse if the target building was near the wedding party, because an ac130 doesnt fire bullets, or at least not what i say i saw an ac130 take the best part of a building out and destry cars, and it certainly wasnt a bullet but a high explosive round.

so still quite possible to have casualties in the near vercinity,

CingularDuality

A Spectre gunship may indeed be able to cover every square inch of a football field with it's cannons, but that doesn't mean it's a sniper rifle. It just means it can throw a lot of lead...

And the howitzer mounted in the plane can most assuredly launch some HE rounds downrange.

It's definitely a large weapon that can inflict a lot of damage.

Where's Hollywood when you need him? He could tell you a lot more about the AC-130 than I can...

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Fait_Maker

Technically in the original scrolls for the Bible, not the Koran, the commandment is "Thou shalt not murder", not kill. It was mistranslated. Killing and murdering are two different things with a thin slice between them. Not that I'm disagreeing with you by any means. I just wanted to set the story straight.

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xliipapa6

If I understand correctly, the muslim Koran is mis-interpreted by the fanatical groups of muslims.

So, these individuals have used propaganda to mislead and thwart the efforts of the US. chances are, if we leave Iraq, we might see a huge civil war. We complain about the prison treatment of Iraqi prisoners, they'll treat each other worse than we can treat them.

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DudeMan

still doesnt justify it surely you can see that..

Wolfie

True, assuming that this did in fact happened.

I have been hearing reports that there were no children involved in this incident and that the pictures being shown are of children that died in the town of Ramadi which is not even close to the area of dispute.

xliipapa6

@ dudeman, it's apparent to me that there are some that want this "wedding party" thing to be true. or those who believe it to be true without a doubt. Truth be known, simple everyday people like us won't ever really know the truth. Seems to me that all this is about damage control. take out people involved or who are allegedlly involved to appease the people.

I'm going to stop posting on this thread as it is apparent to me, that those who are against this Iraq occupation, want these bad things to be true. this, to further thier cause to get the US out of Iraq. to me personally, I'm for the Iraqi occupation. For me to be against this matter with Iraq, would be a dis-service to the soldiers there. besides, who are you or I to say what should be done? We aren't there wondering when and if a rocket propelled will take a limb or my life?

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LegionPaulL

So very nice of a point, and the best thing is, it makes sense, THANK YOU! I think that is a excellent point.

wickerman

In my opinion, it's incredibly foolish to completely believe anything EITHER side in this conflict says. I tend to look for the truth somewhere in the middle.

I don't think we should force our way of life on any other cultures. It's arrogant to assume our way of life is the right way for everyone to live. Don't get me wrong, the fanatical muslims are just as bad as the fanatical christians ("My invisible guy in the sky can beat up your invisible guy in the sky" love the "logic") and both are responsible for needless death and attrocities (Spanish inquisition, Salem witch trails anyone?). Keep your religion out of my face and I'll keep my lack of it out of yours. Live and let live.

I could care less if the entire middle east disappeared from the face of the earth. The region has never been anything BUT torn by war, why do we think it will ever be any different. Open Alaska up for oil exploration, research alternative fuel sources and let them fight each other in the desert. Bring our boys home safe.

I don't know if we were right going over there, I don't think we've been told the entire truth and I doubt we ever will. I can't denounce the whole thing, but at the same time I can't fully support it either.

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DudeMan

wo wo wo

hold on there ..

i am not against this war and i hoe that this comment was a generalisation.

second i was not commenting about the wedding party but the latter of your speech about detainees. what the iraqis do horrible or not is not a justification of that

i myself can see exactly how a gathering if there was one could have been hit, and my heart bleeds if there were civillians killed on the other hand if guns and smuggled equipment was found, which reports have sadit there was equipment found,. well kids or not its a target and as a responsible adult you dont put your chilldren in that kind of danger.,


i personally think that the initial reports were complete crap as always when these articles break they focus on the worst and filter the reasons.

but i am pro war,

and was not questioning the attack