Iraqi Thank you note...

Lucky Shot · 03-02-2006, 11:25 AM

Hey Wait, this is actually Good News!

Here is an excerpt of a thank you note written to the US troops from the Mayor of Tall 'Afar, Ninewa, Iraq...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,185000,00.html

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Our city was the main base of operations for Abu Mousab Al Zarqawi. The city was completely held hostage in the hands of his henchmen. Our schools, governmental services, businesses and offices were closed. Our streets were silent, and no one dared to walk them. Our people were barricaded in their homes out of fear; death awaited them around every corner. Terrorists occupied and controlled the only hospital in the city. Their savagery reached such a level that they stuffed the corpses of children with explosives and tossed them into the streets in order to kill grieving parents attempting to retrieve the bodies of their young. This was the situation of our city until God prepared and delivered unto them the courageous soldiers of the 3d Armored Cavalry Regiment, who liberated this city, ridding it of Zarqawi's followers after harsh fighting, killing many terrorists, and forcing the remaining butchers to flee the city like rats to the surrounding areas, where the bravery of other 3d ACR soldiers in Sinjar, Rabiah, Zuma and Avgani finally destroyed them.

Lucky Shot

TychoCelchuuu · 03-02-2006, 11:59 AM

Is the 3d Armored Cavalry Regiment like the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment except with cool special effects?

Leonidas · 03-02-2006, 12:06 PM

Thats great to read, thanks for the post.

ChIck3nL3gz · 03-02-2006, 06:38 PM

+rep Lucky. Awesome post.

But I do have a question.

Is the 3rd ACD the same as the 3rd Armored Division (Spearhead)?

The reason I ask is because after the first Gulf war Spearhead was shut-down. But they have been known to get shut down and then reactivated for a new conflict.

perry · 03-02-2006, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ChIck3nL3gz

Is the 3rd ACD the same as the 3rd Armored Division (Spearhead)?

Different units. 3d AD was in Germany and was downsizing towards deactivation when the first Gulf War started. They were deactivated in 92.

3rd ACR is in Fort Carson and has their own long, distinguished history.

3AD. 3rd ACR.

This is the best paragraph of the letter:

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God bless this brave Regiment; God bless the families who dedicated these brave men and women. From the bottom of our hearts we thank the families. They have given us something we will never forget. To the families of those who have given their holy blood for our land, we all bow to you in reverence and to the souls of your loved ones. Their sacrifice was not in vain. They are not dead, but alive, and their souls hovering around us every second of every minute. They will never be forgotten for giving their precious lives. They have sacrificed that which is most valuable. We see them in the smile of every child, and inevery flower growing in this land. Let America, their families, and the world be proud of their sacrifice for humanity and life.

There are some people in my state that need to read it.

Ransack · 03-02-2006, 08:38 PM

How can that be true?? We are evil american invaders involving ourselves in a country that doesn't want us there...right??

ChIck3nL3gz · 03-02-2006, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by perry

Different units. 3d AD was in Germany and was downsizing towards deactivation when the first Gulf War started. They were deactivated in 92.

3rd ACR is in Fort Carson and has their own long, distinguished history.

3AD. 3rd ACR.

This is the best paragraph of the letter:

There are some people in my state that need to read it.

Thanks, I was confused when I saw that and was thinking to myself that they had been deactivated after the first Gulf War.

That letter definitely sheds a different light on the Iraqis and is very touching.

TychoCelchuuu · 03-02-2006, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by xRANSACKx

How can that be true?? We are evil american invaders involving ourselves in a country that doesn't want us there...right??

Well, even if that was the case, you can find people who like ANYTHING. Remember, during the Revolutionary War, lots of people didn't want to break away from the British. Then in the Civil War, half the freaking country supported the Confederates. And Hitler was very popular with Winston Churchill until the shooting started.

Steeler · 03-02-2006, 11:28 PM

I think you should give credit where it is due. A lot of our troops are doing very good work over there, even if the overall political strategy is stumbling.

Trooper · 03-02-2006, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeler

I think you should give credit where it is due. A lot of our troops are doing very good work over there, even if the overall political strategy is stumbling.

amen and +rep

also +rep to lucky for posting something from FOXNEWS in here

Leonidas · 03-02-2006, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeler

I think you should give credit where it is due. A lot of our troops are doing very good work over there, even if the overall political strategy is stumbling.

Right on. +rep.

fighter10101 · 03-06-2006, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by xRANSACKx

involving ourselves in a country that doesn't want us there...right??

A poll was taken i Iraq and it showed that there were some that agreed with Bush's "messianic vision" to bring democracy to Iraq, namely 1 % and the rest about 85% said that The war was stared to get access to Iraqi's oil.
A leaked poll in UK showed that 82 % were "against the presence of coalition troops", 70 % "have no confidence in the coalition troops" and 1 % think that they are improving security[1] So if the US government cares about Iraq democracy why do they opposite the overwhelmingly majority of the people, in fact the people of Iraq had massive non violent demonstrations and forced the invaders to held Elections, every candidate had to say that they wanted the invaders to leave (even the US supported one) but at once the US said that they would not withdraw, undermining Iraqi democracy. The occupation is a brutal act, and violates international law[2] and over 100 000 people have been killed[3]
The facts are very clear, if the us support democracy, why did they support the coup in Venezuela in April 11. 2002?[4] if they respect human rights why do they commit torture, close down or ban tv channels(even bomb). My conclusion is that the US is an outlaw state that does not follow international law, their acts has increased the threat of terrorism(as predicted by CIA, tt, UK parliament etc)Its nothing new, the international court of justice found the US guilty in "the crime of aggression" and " found that the United States had violated international law by supporting Contra guerrillas in their war against the Nicaraguan government"[5] The Nicaraguan government made 2 UN resolution, calling all the members to obey international law, the us vetoed them[6]

Remember that the occupation has ended 2 brutal regimes. nr1 is Saddam Hussein nr 2 is the us\uk sanction regime that killed about 500 000 children under 5years[7] Remember that the US supported the dictator when the bloody Halabja massacres occurred, even increased the support. There has been elections that are not fully democratic but there are progress being made. Does this legitimate the crime of aggression? Of course not, thats like saying that the imperial japan should have invaded several Asian countries, it had some benifital effects, it drove some of the western powers out, and led finally to independence, but they had to fight the imperial japan to get it, its the same situation with Iraq. The people had to fight for democracy against the US governments will and fight to have influence on political decisions, same in Asia(however this was a world war and other countries had more decisive influence) they had to fight against the imperial Japan for independence

btw sorry for the many spelling mistakes, my 1st language is not English

[1]News Telegraph, 23/10 -2005, Sean R.

[2] see http://www.medialens.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1199 for more information

[3] http://www.zmag.org/lancet.pdf

[4] See this link for declassidied documents:
http://www.venezuelafoia.info/english.html

[5] Official name: Military and Paramilitary Activities in and against Nicaragua (Nicar. v. U.S.), Jurisdiction and Admissibility, 1984 ICJ REP. 392 June 27, 1986
see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicarag..._United_States

[6] Resolutions http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/41/a41r031.htm
http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/41/a41r031.htm

[7] report from WHO quoted in John pilgers "verdens nye herskere" (translated by Bjørn alex herrman and K. Østberg), chapter 2, forlaget oktober 20002

aeroripper · 03-06-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fighter10101

A poll was taken i iraq and it showed that there were some that agreed with Bush's "mesianic vison" to bring democracy to iraq, namly 1 % and the rest about 85% said that The war was stared to get access to iraqs oil.
A leaked poll in great britan showed that 82 % were "against the presence of coalition troops", 70 % "have no confidence in the coalition troops" and 1 % think that they are improving security[1] So if the US goverment cares about iraq democracy why do they oppsite the overvelming majority of the people, infact the people of Iraq had massive non violent demostrations and forced the invanders to held Elections, every candidate had to say that they wanted the invaders to leave (even the US supported one) but at once the US said that they would not withdraw, underminig Iraqi democracy. The ocupation is a brutal act, and violates international law[2] and over 100 000 people have been killed[3]
The facts are very clear, if the us support democracy, why did they support the coup in venezuela in april 11. 2002?[4] if they respect human rights why do they commit torture, close down or ban tv channels(even bomb). My conclusion is that the US is an outlaw state that does not follow international law, their acts has increased the threat of terrorism(as predicted by CIA, tt, UK parlament etc)Its nothing new, the international court of justice found the US guilty in "the crime of aggresion" and " found that the United States had violated international law by supporting Contra guerrillas in their war against the Nicaraguan government"[5] The nicaraguan goverment made 2 un resolution, calling all the members to obay international law, the us vetoed them[6]

Remeber that the ocupation has ended 2 brutal regimes. nr1 is Saddam Hussein nr 2 is the us\uk sanction regime that killed about 500 000 children under 5years[7] Rember that the US supported the dictator when the bloody Halabja massacres occured, even increesed the support. There has been elections that are not fully democratic but there are progress beeing made. Does this legitimate the crime of agression? Ofcourse not, thats like saying that the imperial japan should have invaded several asian countries, it had some benifital effects, it drove some of the western powers out, and led finaly to independence, but they had to fight the imperial japan to get it, its the same situation with iraq. The people had to fight for democracy against the US goverments will and fight to have innfluence on political decisions, same in asia(however this was a world war and other countries had more deciseve infuense) they had to fight against the imperial Japan for independence

btw sorry for the many spelling mistakes, my 1st language is not english

[1]News Telegraph, 23/10 -2005, Sean R.

[2] see http://www.medialens.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1199 for more information

[3] http://www.zmag.org/lancet.pdf

[4] See this link for declassidied documents:
http://www.venezuelafoia.info/english.html

[5] Official name: Military and Paramilitary Activities in and against Nicaragua (Nicar. v. U.S.), Jurisdiction and Admissibility, 1984 ICJ REP. 392 June 27, 1986
see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicarag..._United_States

[6] Resolutions http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/41/a41r031.htm
http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/41/a41r031.htm

[7] report from WHO quoted in John pilgers "verdens nye herskere" (translated by Bjørn alex herrman and K. Østberg), chapter 2, forlaget oktober 20002

Thank god for the oxygen, it was getting hard to breathe in here +rep

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How can that be true?? We are evil american invaders involving ourselves in a country that doesn't want us there...right??

Yes, this hasn't changed from this small incident.

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also +rep to lucky for posting something from FOXNEWS in here

xTYBALTx · 03-06-2006, 05:57 PM

fighter -

When people talk about supporting 'democracy' around the world, they don't exactly mean that they want to support 'people voting for their governments.' The vote is a crucial and irreplaceable part of democracy, but is not the whole story.

Equally vital components to 'modern democracy' or more precisely 'liberal democracy' are the rule of law, protection for minorities, and the protection of certain freedoms - including free markets. This (partly) explains why the USA will not support people such as Chavez even if they are 'elected' into office; Chavez was then and remains now clearly opposed to some freedoms which are crucial to liberal democracy.

I should also add that I haven't seen or heard of any evidence or purported evidence that the USA organized the coup against Chavez.

Leonidas · 03-06-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by xTYBALTx

fighter -

When people talk about supporting 'democracy' around the world, they don't exactly mean that they want to support 'people voting for their governments.' The vote is a crucial and irreplaceable part of democracy, but is not the whole story.

Equally vital components to 'modern democracy' or more precisely 'liberal democracy' are the rule of law, protection for minorities, and the protection of certain freedoms - including free markets. This (partly) explains why the USA will not support people such as Chavez even if they are 'elected' into office; Chavez was then and remains now clearly opposed to some freedoms which are crucial to liberal democracy.

Well put.

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Leonidas Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: District of Columbia, U.S.A Age: 17 Posts: 493	Re: Iraqi Thank you note... Thats great to read, thanks for the post. __________________ War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling that thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety is a miserable creature, who has no chance at being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. -- John Stuart Mill-- "O xein angellein lakedaimoniois hoti tede keimetha tois keinon rhemasi peithomenoi"- Monument, Thermopylae

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ChIck3nL3gz Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Under a Interstate 80 overpass near Paterson, New Jersey. Posts: 1,543	Re: Iraqi Thank you note... +rep Lucky. Awesome post. But I do have a question. Is the 3rd ACD the same as the 3rd Armored Division (Spearhead)? The reason I ask is because after the first Gulf war Spearhead was shut-down. But they have been known to get shut down and then reactivated for a new conflict. __________________ [volun][drill] I'm cannon fodder. Irreg's Wiki Rules and SOPs

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xTYBALTx Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,832	Re: Iraqi Thank you note... fighter - When people talk about supporting 'democracy' around the world, they don't exactly mean that they want to support 'people voting for their governments.' The vote is a crucial and irreplaceable part of democracy, but is not the whole story. Equally vital components to 'modern democracy' or more precisely 'liberal democracy' are the rule of law, protection for minorities, and the protection of certain freedoms - including free markets. This (partly) explains why the USA will not support people such as Chavez even if they are 'elected' into office; Chavez was then and remains now clearly opposed to some freedoms which are crucial to liberal democracy. I should also add that I haven't seen or heard of any evidence or purported evidence that the USA organized the coup against Chavez. __________________ Current good song: Justice - Stress "$250,000 a year won't get me to Central Park West."

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