The Draft's Coming - Page 5

fr1j0l3 · 06-02-2004, 04:43 PM

This is almost amusing...

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Originally Posted by leejo

This coalition toppled Saddam Hussein's government, which was known to collaborate and harbor terrorists (Abu Nidal, e.g.), was known to threaten its neighbors and by extension the world (Iran and Kuwait), and did in fact have nuclear and biological weapons programs, ask a Kurd or a relative of one of the many Iranians killed with gas in that war.

Hmmm... who sold them those weapons? Who supported that regime? (even AFTER the attacks on the kurds)

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Originally Posted by leejo

During our invasion, they fired Scuds they weren't supposed to have!

oooo... imagine that... lemme guess, they were nukes too right? Nukes with a range to hit the eastern seabord right?

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Originally Posted by leejo

Still, in 15 months, we have captured another country and stayed there losing fewer than 1000 soldiers. That is an unprecedented and astonishing feat of arms. Who would have dreamed things could have gone so well in terms of lives lost?

please, go find a family who has lost that spot at the dinner table, and spill that nonsense to them, let me know what their response is.

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Originally Posted by leejo

Yesterday, the new Iraqi government was put in place, despite all sorts of predictions that it couldn't happen.

I'm not buying it yet. You sound like you have full support of these guys tho.

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Originally Posted by leejo

A month ago, Falluja was supposed to spark an uprising, but today, 27 of the 28 main players there have been captured or killed, and we didn't have to level the town.

heheh... no, instead, we put saddam's old guard in charge. (on the us taxpayer payroll as well)

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Originally Posted by leejo

Al-Sadr's insurgency has been rejected utterly by the mainstream in Iraq and is being destroyed around him.

Umm.. the way I read this, they are withdrawing the court order to arrest him to appease he and his followers, so in a sense, we are saying "well, there's evidence you had someone killed, but hey, you're a nuisance, you can go now"

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Originally Posted by leejo

I fail to see how Iraq poses a greater threat today than 1.5 years ago, unless you assume that 1000's of moderate muslims were sitting around minding their own business and now wish to become suicide bombers, and I'm not buying that story.

You fail to see, and yet refuse to look past the rose-colored glasses...

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Originally Posted by --Abu Taif Mashhadani, whose 8-year-old daughter was killed by a U.S. sniper

When the fighting is over in Fallujah, I will sell everything I have, even my home. I will send
my brothers north to kill the Kurds, and I will go to America and target the civilians. Only the civilians.
Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. And the one who started it will be the one to be blamed."

cheers.

xliipapa6 · 06-02-2004, 04:55 PM

all I can say is we have a new war on our hands. before we hand exact enemies, Russians and the US. We had borders, we had differences. but we knew who our enemies were. the cold war.

Today, we have certain enemies but things aren't really too clear. some things are clear, alot that isn't. there are no borders, these terrorists, the new enemy, are all over the place in this world. they are hidden and hard to find. We catch a bunch of em' here, only to find a new arm of thier ops somewhere else. We kill a high up leader of the terrorists, they'll do as we do in the military and promote someone to fill the gap. they use our internet to transfer funds to finance terrorist training. they are well trained.

It's easier to attack a target than to defend that target. they are able to blend in to our society and operate quietly. Yes we DID catch that terrorist trying to setup a training camp for terrorists in Oregon, but that's just the tip o' the iceberg. I liken these terrorists to cockroaches. you can decimate vast amounts of them, but they are a bitch to eradicate. persistance is the key, sticking to your guns.

The face of war has changed

**leejo** · 06-02-2004, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fr1j0l3

This is almost amusing...

You can make your points without the dripping sarcasm. It's disrespectful and hurts your argument more than it helps. It's hardly friendly.

All of these points have been hashed out over and over again. Clearly people have made their minds up. For the life of me I can't see how sneering and disrespect passes as intellectual superiority.

**Wolfie** · 06-02-2004, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by --Abu Taif Mashhadani, whose 8-year-old daughter was killed by a U.S. sniper

When the fighting is over in Fallujah, I will sell everything I have, even my home. I will send
my brothers north to kill the Kurds, and I will go to America and target the civilians. Only the civilians.
Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. And the one who started it will be the one to be blamed."

So why was a "US sniper" shooting at an eight year old girl and what is his beef against the Kurds? Sounds like this guy has a lot more issues that it seems.

By the way, I think we have gone way off topic (draft to Iraq today to past history of foreign relations with Iraq).

jex · 06-03-2004, 07:00 AM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/3909150/

LegionPaulL · 06-03-2004, 11:01 AM

Ol'Colin Powell speaks again. Hmm, I only wonder.

xliipapa6 · 06-03-2004, 11:23 AM

Appears that Colin powell is tired of all the crap. Now he's being forthright about the truth of our not finding a smoking gun.

LegionPaulL · 06-03-2004, 11:36 AM

A good job by Colin Powell. Very well said.

06-02-2004, 04:55 PM	#62 (permalink)
xliipapa6 Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Carrollton, Maryland Posts: 118	Re: The Draft's Coming all I can say is we have a new war on our hands. before we hand exact enemies, Russians and the US. We had borders, we had differences. but we knew who our enemies were. the cold war. Today, we have certain enemies but things aren't really too clear. some things are clear, alot that isn't. there are no borders, these terrorists, the new enemy, are all over the place in this world. they are hidden and hard to find. We catch a bunch of em' here, only to find a new arm of thier ops somewhere else. We kill a high up leader of the terrorists, they'll do as we do in the military and promote someone to fill the gap. they use our internet to transfer funds to finance terrorist training. they are well trained. It's easier to attack a target than to defend that target. they are able to blend in to our society and operate quietly. Yes we DID catch that terrorist trying to setup a training camp for terrorists in Oregon, but that's just the tip o' the iceberg. I liken these terrorists to cockroaches. you can decimate vast amounts of them, but they are a bitch to eradicate. persistance is the key, sticking to your guns. The face of war has changed __________________ Don't be a fool and die for your country. Let the other sonofabitch die for his. George S. Patton

06-03-2004, 07:00 AM	#65 (permalink)
jex Join Date: May 2003 Location: United Kingdom Age: 37 Posts: 3,430	Re: The Draft's Coming http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/3909150/ __________________ Jex

06-03-2004, 11:01 AM	#66 (permalink)
LegionPaulL Join Date: May 2004 Location: Waco, Texas America Age: 22 Posts: 254	Re: The Draft's Coming Ol'Colin Powell speaks again. Hmm, I only wonder. __________________ If it is stupid but works, then it is not stupid. -Murphy

06-03-2004, 11:23 AM	#67 (permalink)
xliipapa6 Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Carrollton, Maryland Posts: 118	Re: The Draft's Coming Appears that Colin powell is tired of all the crap. Now he's being forthright about the truth of our not finding a smoking gun. __________________ Don't be a fool and die for your country. Let the other sonofabitch die for his. George S. Patton

06-03-2004, 11:36 AM	#68 (permalink)
LegionPaulL Join Date: May 2004 Location: Waco, Texas America Age: 22 Posts: 254	Re: The Draft's Coming A good job by Colin Powell. Very well said. __________________ If it is stupid but works, then it is not stupid. -Murphy

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