FireMarshal

Umm read it again..

CingularDuality

From beer and wine? That would be difficult...

True. I still think the kid should have gotten his ass whupped as well...

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he most likly did... hard..painfully... slooooooowwwwwwwlllllyyyyyyyyyy

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Yeah, beating sense into them works well. But creative punishments work better >:).

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DudeMan

beating sense into kids dosent do **** and i challenge anyone who says it does. i have lived with about 15 kids all have been beaten because they lied or were naughty and all were just beaten to extreme because a slap didnt work. anyone who thinks that taking a belt or even a slap is the answer is wrong, and unless under extreme circumstances niether should be used. and beating is totally out of the question.

ignorance and violence only create more violence.

this is a constructive punishment but for god sakes just for having a swig of champagne at 13... god dman i had done alot worse than that at 13... instead of punishing this person so damn harshly should the parent not have taken the oppotunity to yes ok ground him, and tell him off but educate the chilld about drink.

i was allowed to drink from quite an early age in my house, say about 14-15 not enough to get pissed but say one or 2 cans of beer. it taught me to respect drink because i didnt have to go out with mates and sample the forbidden friuts so to speak. the only thing i fear this parent has accomplished is making her son better at hiding the mistakes.

now instead of trying the drink at home where it is relativly safe he will try it outside. i have lived with as i say 15 or more troubled kids and the reaction is just the same... every oppotunity should be a reason for education, and i think that for this offense the punishment is way too harsh.

but anyway what do i care, anyone comes near my ps2 or pc and book a hospital bed in advance to save time because you are going to need all the time the doctors can spare....,lol

Killer_McDermott

We only know as much as the person posted on the eBay listing. Maybe that isn't the whole story. Perhaps they did educate the child on drinking. Perhaps there were several events in the past that lead up to this type of punishment. Maybe the parents were at their wits end with the child and this was the only way to get through to them.

Would I go as far as they did and sell off one of my child's prize possessions? At this point, I would say no. But then my children are perfect angels and never do anything wrong.

I agree with what Dudeman says to some degree. Corporal punishment, if taken too far, can cause emotional and physical scars. However, a little smack on the behind to get their attention can do wonders if you know when it is appropriate, IMHO. I as a parent have done most everything from taking away privileges to spanking my children. Spanking isn't effective as the child gets older.

My kids are 9 and 12 so I am now taking away privileges(the computer...gasp) as punishment. Don't think I haven't thought about running through my 12 year old's room with a bulldozer and trash bag when it is a mess 2 seconds after they clean it. There comes a point when you have to do something to get their attention and talking to them has failed.

That's my two cents.

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I thought you weren't advocating violence! LOL

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Wintermute

Two very sensible posts their from Dudeman and McDermott. I was wondering when someone was gonna say something that wasn't "Yeah kick that child's ass!!!!"

...Or they are EXPERT at getting away with it .

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Two cents? Hell, if you could expand on that enough to write a book and you could be a millionaire! Very well said...

DudeMan

yeah thats me...

to your comment about hitting chilldren dermot dont get me wrong, if we are taliing about say a five year old or younger... well a little tap on the arm or on the backside to stop the imidiate wrong doping is admissable... but its when you decide to take the punishment and make the whole thing a beating.

so a child does something wrong and because of that is spanked. i am not in favour of that, i can quite honestly say i have never been spanked, and i would never do it to a child ( little taps on arm or whatever aside) because especially when its an older child it doesnt solve the problem. being spanked only makes you angry, and anger is a very difficult emotion to work through, therefore the object of the punishment becomes less from the actual event and more about anger.

i thyink privallidges is the way to go, grounding someone hurts, taking away allowance hurts... taking their mobile phone from them hurts. but you have to watch out, this parent has sold the machine, well that is dangerous, because privallidges only work as a punishment if they are there to be given back.

if your child does something wrong and you removew alll the privalidges they have. tghen there is no incentive to try and do things right. nothing to loose senario...

i think its much more productive to take it away and make them earn their privalidges back, but i agree we only really have a rant to go on, this child could be alot worse than the message implies.

Killer_McDermott

You and I are in agreement on this point. I don't advocate packing a lunch so you can have an all day beating either. It serves no purpose.

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HairyNevus

I'm not going to say that punching your kids lights out is the answer , but they got to be taught who's boss. The key is to find the median, pushing too hard will make them push back harder and go do something stupid just to piss you off. On the other hand, letting them go free will turn them into whiny little brats with no respect or discipline. Now, I don't have kids. And I'm sure that even if someone would listen to my advice on raising them, that audience is not present. But I will say that spanking while young, grounding while older, and possibly backhanding them for serious things when 13+ would be a good amount of "respectinizing" the boy. And, nothing like a sock full of clementines. Teaches them who's boss and won't leave a bruise.

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DudeMan

yeah go ahead mate and backhand a 13 year old.... teach them who is boss and assert your mail agressivness over your chilldren when you have them... and see how much respect you get when they are 18 and can knock your scralny ass out.... i have seen it happen... when payback comes its not pretty..

i have neer been beaten and i am not a whiny little brat, and teaching the chilld whos boss. that was the excuse of a mother of a child whu ended up putting hin in cold baths hitting with belts pinching until blood is drawn....

it is not as straight forward as that and you dont gfet respect through violence you get fear.... thats the only way.... fear and if you want your children afraid of you well then go ahead, but dont confuse the two.... respect and fear are two different things... and today you have the power but tomorrow when you need someone to wipe your ass who is going to e thre... someone who resents the fact you made them frightened of you,,,,

violence on chilldren even teenagers doesnt work...when they are young... its not violence just a language they uunderstand... a tap.... but giving a 13 yr old a "backhander" really... you think this is acceptable?

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I see and understand where you're coming from dudeman. Then I see on the news all of these 12 and 13 year old kids getting into trouble and their parents doing nothing about their kids behavior. It sickens me to no end.


A lot of kids now a days deserves a good beating...

DudeMan

kids nowadays huh...

i am 18 years old and i am not getting into trouble... oh and by the way if you look at troubled chilldren i can guaranteee they have had troubled family lifes. that is from experience.

restricting privalidges is the way to go, a good beating there is no such thing.