... hit 'em where they'll feel it.. - Page 4

jex · 06-08-2004, 09:44 AM

Why would you want to stop your kid dressing like a rap star? If parents can give no reason to stopping what their kids do other than 'because I said so' then of course they're not going to listen. If you use violence to enforce your view onto their own then of course they're gonna say F U.

If parents are reasonable in their requests to the child there shouldn't be too much of a problem as long as those requests aren't letting him be him/herself.

We were all kids once so we should know what they want and also realise that they don't see things the same as adults. Teaching them how to be safe and punishing them when they aren't is one thing, Punishing them because of a difference in views is not fair or democratic.

Why should age be a concern anyway? You don't stop adults dressing or saying what they want - why inflict that on a child? If you treat kids like kids then they will act as kids.

**=DdogG=** · 06-08-2004, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jex

Why would you want to stop your kid dressing like a rap star? If parents can give no reason to stopping what their kids do other than 'because I said so' then of course they're not going to listen. If you use violence to enforce your view onto their own then of course they're gonna say F U.

If parents are reasonable in their requests to the child there shouldn't be too much of a problem as long as those requests aren't letting him be him/herself.

We were all kids once so we should know what they want and also realise that they don't see things the same as adults. Teaching them how to be safe and punishing them when they aren't is one thing, Punishing them because of a difference in views is not fair or democratic.

Why should age be a concern anyway? You don't stop adults dressing or saying what they want - why inflict that on a child? If you treat kids like kids then they will act as kids.

do you have children?

who said parenting was democratic. I keep my children alive. they have food, shelter, clothes, and medicine because of me. they did nothing to get those things. you must contribute to a democracy to get something out of it. children contribute nothing to the house, they get no rights. they get privileges. this is adebate that could last for 20 years. but you raise your kids your way, I'll raise mine my way, then we will compare @ 23.

**DudeMan** · 06-08-2004, 01:23 PM

also think having them stick thier hands out, palms up, and whacking them with a ruler is the worst and only used for really bad scenarios (squirting Mommy with a squirt gun the day of the wedding).

what scares me is you dont see a problem with this even in the most extreme cases..

and by the way squirting mommy.... yeah because it was done in full spite

you need to read your own posts... the words extreme circumstances and squirting mommy with a water gun... should not be linked.. and if thats extreme to you i hope you never have chilldren because you are in for a big shock

i dont agree with any smackinbg light or not over the age of 8 from then on you can win every battle with a battle of wills... thats what demands respect.. beat them at their own game... not beat them into submission.

**DudeMan** · 06-08-2004, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by =DdogG=

do you have children?

who said parenting was democratic. I keep my children alive. they have food, shelter, clothes, and medicine because of me. they did nothing to get those things. you must contribute to a democracy to get something out of it. children contribute nothing to the house, they get no rights. they get privileges. this is adebate that could last for 20 years. but you raise your kids your way, I'll raise mine my way, then we will compare @ 23.

oh this makes me laugh...

you think you own your kids.. no pal you dont.. and when your daughter is 16 and you are telling her what to do, regaurdless of whether it is fair... well we will see wont we..

you dont own your chilldren from the age of 15, because at this point in our society they can go away and do their own thing. like it or not. take the firm hand and when they are all grown up we wil see whether you are respected.

and i think me and you are in agreement that you dont hit your chilldren over the age of like 8 (from your last posts) welll ill agreee there... but if you think that because you feed and cloth your chilldren you will be constantly thanked throughout your life. sorry but you are mistaken... you will be thanked before you die... but dont expect a parade all your life... that will not happen..

P.S you had sex and produced these kids. if you didnt treat them righjt they would get taken away... you say what have they giiven i say when did they ask to be born... they are the product of sex, they are not asking to be born and therefore its your responsability to prvide for them.

i think i understand where you are comming from and on the most part ill agree but if you think you own your kids... no it dont work like that believe me.

**Wolfie** · 06-08-2004, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

oh this makes me laugh...

you think you own your kids.. no pal you dont.. and when your daughter is 16 and you are telling her what to do, regaurdless of whether it is fair... well we will see wont we..

you dont own your chilldren from the age of 15, because at this point in our society they can go away and do their own thing. like it or not. take the firm hand and when they are all grown up we wil see whether you are respected.

I don't think DdogG claimed he owned them like a pack of gum. However, he is providing everything they need in life and should they misbehave, then certain privilages will be taken away. See how long his 16 year old daughter misbehaves if she doesn't have money to buy the latest fashion or a car to drive or any of the newest boy band CDs that she may want.

When I have kids and my 16 year old acts up, that won't last very long. With my parents, you had to earn their respect to do things such as being able to drive, having money to do things, even holding a job to earn money. Since it seemed to work with me, I will do the same thing with my kids. They don't do what they are told, they are getting a pair of 30 dollar sneakers for school...and I could care less if that is not hip for them.

And if my 16 year old thinks she/he can do their own thing, then guess what? No more providing shelter/food/warmth/etc for them. If they think they are old enough to make their own decisions without taking into considerations of their parents, then they are old enough to provide for themselves.

**DudeMan** · 06-08-2004, 06:01 PM

hate to break it to you... but back in your day yeah... now ...well you will see mark my words its not as easy as you think mate.... but you will see

**_Ender_** · 06-08-2004, 06:13 PM

IMO this respect thing you guys keep talking about is a 2 way street..

**DudeMan** · 06-08-2004, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by _Ender_

IMO this respect thing you guys keep talking about is a 2 way street..

thank you... one of the things i was tryig to say.....may not have been as clear as this tho....lol

Sniper · 06-08-2004, 06:40 PM

Im 15 myself. I think I am doing good, seeing as I NEVER get into trouble with the law, my friend's parents, or anything. Yes, I was whipped, spanked, paddled, ect. Yes, It did work. I never did most of those things again, unless given permission. I think sometimes in bad scenarios, they should be spanked. It teaches them a lesson, as it did me. I am very respectful to all adults, and I have my parents to thank. They raised me right, and I cannot THANK them enough for doing so.

**_Ender_** · 06-08-2004, 06:42 PM

I still get whipped, spanked, and paddled now.. but its for a different reason

Sniper · 06-08-2004, 06:58 PM

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HairyNevus · 06-08-2004, 07:32 PM

Dudeman, you read into my post way too much. That scenario wasn't a real 'worst case' thing, maybe I joke too much. And no, I see no problem with whapping my kid over the head if he gets caught drinking/smoking underage.

The way I see it, the parent has a right and responsibility to discipline thier kids in the most effective way. Think about it; they had them, they gave them food, shelter, clothing, love, spending money, presents, education, probably taught skills like cooking so they can get along in life, and later on went through hard times with them and put up money for college. No, you do not own them, and you cannot always control them.

I'm 15 and when I act up all my mom has to say is "Don't make me pound you." and I shut up. She doesn't even hit me and only does a quick slap on my hand every now and then. I've hardly ever hit other kids, and unwillingly act like a goodie-goodie in school from being brought up right.

If I ever have kids I will teach them right and have the ocaisional sit down with them. But you got to keep them in line as best you can, for as long as you can, in any practical way you can. Tapping them is a lot better than sending them off the a snobby prep school that teaches manners or something like it.

CaveDog · 06-08-2004, 07:38 PM

parenting advice from teenagers....

Sniper · 06-08-2004, 07:54 PM

Well said Hairy

The only time i got inna "fight" was when i was forced into it. His friends surrounded me, so i hit him on the nose (hard punch.. he flew back) and I was able to get out. His friends were like "Whoa.." (They hit me 1st.. he hit me like 5 times on shoulder, then a slight punch in the stomach to me... I tolerated enough when he hit me in my stomach.)

Never had trouble from them again..

Other "fights" I just walkled away from, YET I am respected in my school, even by a senior who tended to like me as a buddy :P

**Wolfie** · 06-08-2004, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

hate to break it to you... but back in your day yeah

Dudeman, I am only 28. There is no "back in my day" comments. Now if I was OSD's age, then sure...but the differences in society when I was 13 and today or 10 years from now won't be significantly different.

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Originally Posted by Ender

IMO this respect thing you guys keep talking about is a 2 way street..

Respect is earned, not freely given

06-08-2004, 09:44 AM	#46 (permalink)
jex Join Date: May 2003 Location: United Kingdom Age: 37 Posts: 3,430	Re: ... hit 'em where they'll feel it.. Why would you want to stop your kid dressing like a rap star? If parents can give no reason to stopping what their kids do other than 'because I said so' then of course they're not going to listen. If you use violence to enforce your view onto their own then of course they're gonna say F U. If parents are reasonable in their requests to the child there shouldn't be too much of a problem as long as those requests aren't letting him be him/herself. We were all kids once so we should know what they want and also realise that they don't see things the same as adults. Teaching them how to be safe and punishing them when they aren't is one thing, Punishing them because of a difference in views is not fair or democratic. Why should age be a concern anyway? You don't stop adults dressing or saying what they want - why inflict that on a child? If you treat kids like kids then they will act as kids. __________________ Jex

06-08-2004, 01:23 PM	#48 (permalink)
DudeMan Join Date: May 2003 Location: london England Age: 22 Posts: 3,258	Re: ... hit 'em where they'll feel it.. also think having them stick thier hands out, palms up, and whacking them with a ruler is the worst and only used for really bad scenarios (squirting Mommy with a squirt gun the day of the wedding). what scares me is you dont see a problem with this even in the most extreme cases.. and by the way squirting mommy.... yeah because it was done in full spite you need to read your own posts... the words extreme circumstances and squirting mommy with a water gun... should not be linked.. and if thats extreme to you i hope you never have chilldren because you are in for a big shock i dont agree with any smackinbg light or not over the age of 8 from then on you can win every battle with a battle of wills... thats what demands respect.. beat them at their own game... not beat them into submission.

06-08-2004, 06:01 PM	#51 (permalink)
DudeMan Join Date: May 2003 Location: london England Age: 22 Posts: 3,258	Re: ... hit 'em where they'll feel it.. hate to break it to you... but back in your day yeah... now ...well you will see mark my words its not as easy as you think mate.... but you will see

06-08-2004, 06:13 PM	#52 (permalink)
_Ender_ Join Date: May 2003 Location: I am lost, if you know where I am then please feel free to tell me. Age: 29 Posts: 2,048	Re: ... hit 'em where they'll feel it.. IMO this respect thing you guys keep talking about is a 2 way street..

06-08-2004, 06:40 PM	#54 (permalink)
Sniper Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis Age: 20 Posts: 1,724	Re: ... hit 'em where they'll feel it.. Im 15 myself. I think I am doing good, seeing as I NEVER get into trouble with the law, my friend's parents, or anything. Yes, I was whipped, spanked, paddled, ect. Yes, It did work. I never did most of those things again, unless given permission. I think sometimes in bad scenarios, they should be spanked. It teaches them a lesson, as it did me. I am very respectful to all adults, and I have my parents to thank. They raised me right, and I cannot THANK them enough for doing so. __________________ New Server1 IP. Read the stickies!! This is how you check your STEAMID and register it.

06-08-2004, 06:42 PM	#55 (permalink)
_Ender_ Join Date: May 2003 Location: I am lost, if you know where I am then please feel free to tell me. Age: 29 Posts: 2,048	Re: ... hit 'em where they'll feel it.. I still get whipped, spanked, and paddled now.. but its for a different reason

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06-08-2004, 07:32 PM	#57 (permalink)
HairyNevus Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Age: 20 Posts: 869	Re: ... hit 'em where they'll feel it.. Dudeman, you read into my post way too much. That scenario wasn't a real 'worst case' thing, maybe I joke too much. And no, I see no problem with whapping my kid over the head if he gets caught drinking/smoking underage. The way I see it, the parent has a right and responsibility to discipline thier kids in the most effective way. Think about it; they had them, they gave them food, shelter, clothing, love, spending money, presents, education, probably taught skills like cooking so they can get along in life, and later on went through hard times with them and put up money for college. No, you do not own them, and you cannot always control them. I'm 15 and when I act up all my mom has to say is "Don't make me pound you." and I shut up. She doesn't even hit me and only does a quick slap on my hand every now and then. I've hardly ever hit other kids, and unwillingly act like a goodie-goodie in school from being brought up right. If I ever have kids I will teach them right and have the ocaisional sit down with them. But you got to keep them in line as best you can, for as long as you can, in any practical way you can. Tapping them is a lot better than sending them off the a snobby prep school that teaches manners or something like it. __________________ "Adios...blimp" -Assy McGee "All of the body parts they will never find, except all the peices that I saved." -Dickie Moist "Mmmmm, Duraflame." -Mountain Man "I don't like Sci-Fi, I love LOVE LOVE it!" - Gordon Crisp

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06-08-2004, 07:54 PM	#59 (permalink)
Sniper Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis Age: 20 Posts: 1,724	Re: ... hit 'em where they'll feel it.. Well said Hairy The only time i got inna "fight" was when i was forced into it. His friends surrounded me, so i hit him on the nose (hard punch.. he flew back) and I was able to get out. His friends were like "Whoa.." (They hit me 1st.. he hit me like 5 times on shoulder, then a slight punch in the stomach to me... I tolerated enough when he hit me in my stomach.) Never had trouble from them again.. Other "fights" I just walkled away from, YET I am respected in my school, even by a senior who tended to like me as a buddy :P __________________ New Server1 IP. Read the stickies!! This is how you check your STEAMID and register it.

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