Trooper

Hey thats all i ever ask of these posts, you atleast read thru what i said and posted your opinion nothing wrong with that.

Yeah Bush has done some bonehead things over his tenure..but what president hasn't.

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leejo

Bone? Head? President?

There are other ways to show one's class.

Arf

I hear that argument a lot and it's weak. You must think I'm stupid, because that's what you're calling me. You're saying that with a 37% approval rate they've only been able to find one person from the other 63% who could voice his disagreement respectfully. Clearly those who disagree are almost unanimously loud idiots.

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AzzMan

Jeez Apo, I've been here almost a year now (maybe more, I forget and I didn't bother to look haha) and I thought it was obvious I'm the most overly-exagerating person on like the entire forum.

TychoCelchuuu

Remember a while back when everyone was talking about how, in order to get into one of these town hall meetings, you had to sign a piece of paper that basically said you agreed with everything the president says? And ever wonder why someone whose approval rating is at least 50% (it's lower than that in almost every poll) almost never gets asked negative questions at these town hall meetings? It's because they carefully screen the entrants. Like Cingular said, you're obviously keeping out the "Buck Fush" people because people yelling and stuff makes it hard to talk, but they're also keeping out just about everyone who isn't going to ask "softballs."

They've been getting flack about this for a long, long time (a congressman's wife was kicked out of the State of the Union; that didn't go over well) but they didn't really care, but with his approval rating plunging they're trying new stuff, like letting in one guy who's going to ask a question that doesn't amount to "how can you possibly improve on your amazing decisions so far?"

To say Bush is "classy" for stopping people from booing the guy down is kinda of... off. At this point, if an elected official is deemed classy simply for letting someone ask them a critical question, we've got a problem. Because I can guarantee you that even if you agree 100% with the president right now, in a few years there's going to be a president who you're going to want to ask critical questions of, and whether or not he's classy I doubt that simply listening to you is going to prove anything.

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Ransack

lol....you are absolutely right, the Democrats would never do somthing as callous as, say, clear the streets of the homeless in an around Madison Square Garden before their very own Natl Convention. They care waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much to do something like that, don't they?

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Karkianman101

*must resist urge... resistance... failing...*
*breaks*
All I know is that the DNC DIDN'T have masses of peaceful protestors violently arrested and sent to an old chemical warehouse on a dock, where the floors weren't even cleaned of the corrosives, and a women gave birth, and people were denied their medication, and they were held for long amounts of time without being charged, backing the operation, and when scared people looking for their loved ones called, they weren't told that their loved ones didn't have rights because they were terrorists.

I'm trying to think of what convention that did happen at... *ponders* eh. It must of slipped my mind.
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leejo

Was it the DNC, Kark? Is that where swarms of young republican demonstrators acting like complete jackasses and defied the police orders willy-nilly? Was it there that republican demonstrators did creative dances to show how they feel about Kerry or wore costumes symbolizing the freakiness of the chi and calling the cops pigs?

I hope so, because these are important times and those protestors seem pretty on the ball.

aeroripper

Wow, is there an article I can read about the full details on this? All I remember hearing was it was an old Pier 17 station. They actually said they didn't have rights because they were terrorists?

leejo

Speaking of showing class, that's the NYPD you're talking about. Those guys who ran into the burning buildings to save people and didn't stop to check political affiliation. And who died.

If you're going to spread stories about people on the internet, they're a good group to take a pass on for a variety of reasons.

Diceman

In an effort to get this thread back on the original topic:I will assume that you're insinuating that they wouldn't.

Care to offer some evidence of that claim? Anyone?

Failing that, a quick recap of Apo's position seems relevant:

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CingularDuality

This is getting off topic, but nobody gets a pass on unreasonably abusing other people. Just because some of your brother officers died on 9/11 doesn't give you the right to violate people's civil rights.

That said, I think I remember Kark bringing this up before and that he had only a few blogs as references to the abuses claimed.

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CingularDuality

I can assure you that all of the Presidential candidates screen their audiences before giving speeches. But that doesn't really answer your question. We've seen Senator Kerry shut down people that disagreed with him in public forums before. I don't remember Mr. Gore doing that specifically, although it wouldn't surprise me if he did. It wouldn't surprise me if the President had reacted differently, either.

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Trooper

Just watching both there demeanor and attitudes as political people, watching any of the Kerry debates/Forums and ever in congress, he is very forth right and very pushy.

And Bush had everyright to shut Mr Rose down but he did not, i think that just shows how much he actually wants to listen to the public.

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Diceman

Isn't that his job? I dunno about American politics, but in Canada, our politicians don't spend too much time trying to placate the opposition. It's about asking hard questions and then being unsatisfied with the results.

At any rate, I don't think one's behaviour in the House of Commons is much representative of the person's normal mode of being, and how they treat others. Maybe the US Senate is different though.

I did watch the presidential debates back in 2004 though, and Kerry didn't strike me as being a bully. Far from it. So chalk me up as unconvinced.

Hrm. I hadn't heard of this. Source?

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