Dark Viper

There is no legal punishment for abortion in the US and that is the same as cutting their head off in my opinion.

Every society does have flaws, but just because somebody believes they are right does not mean everybody else is wrong. They have been stoning people over there for thousands of years and who are we to come along and tell them they can't do that anymore. If life was really so god-awful over there, I doubt those countries would have survived this long.

I'll just say that everybody has a different view on the subject and I'm not trying to anger anybody. But I do believe in the common good of man and that no whole entirety of a group can be completely evil, it can neither be without fault.

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Switchcraft

I certainly didn't mean to imply I thought they were all evil, either. I just don't think it's fair to say the standard of living over there is comparable to here, or that life is basically the same.

ChIck3nL3gz

I too don't think they are all evil. But its hard to see the good in a place where you see women and children used as bombs, where a girl can be killed for looking at another man.

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"being a homosexual can get you dragged out of your house and stoned to death."

is this very different from......

"being black can get you dragged to a tree and hanged"?

how long ago was it something like this was commonplace here in america? 50 years? less?

a society has to learn its own lessons and freedom cannot be given

Switchcraft

Also, I've been reviewing statistics all day. Could whoever said the US has one of the highest crime rates cite some statistics for me? I can't find us in the top ten, but I have been surprised at who I have found...New Zealand, Finland, etc.

Dark Viper

That was me.

Total Crimes Comitted US #1

Total Crimes Comitted Per Capita US #8

Yes I would say we have a very very high crime rate in the US.

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Dark Viper

While religion does influence government policy and laws more, they still work their "9 to 5". The men work, the women stay at home, and the children go to school. The average income in a lot of countries over there is even higher than Mexico's.

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ChIck3nL3gz

Yes but the difference is how often is a person of color dragged from his home and hung on a tree or dragged behind a pickup truck in today's society?

Not often if at all. That isn't to say it doesn't happen as I'm sure it still does. But its rare.

They are STILL stoning people. STILL beheading people. STILL torturing people. Yes, a society needs to learn its own lessons but when you spedn thousands upon thousands of years doing the same thing over and over and over again eventually someone is going to step in and say, "STOP!!!"

Its like telling a child not to stick anything in the electric socket. Over and over and over again. Eventually you decide he isn't going to learn until he's stuck there until the breaker decides to trip. Except in the case of the Middle-East, the breaker never tripped and the child never learned.

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we are STILL bombing poeple STILL shooting people AND YES STILL torturing people also.
america never tripped the breaker either..... we just learned to turn most of our violence toward people who cant defend themselves.

CingularDuality

Hah! Those show that the United States has more police that arrest people than many other countries, but it says nothing about the actual amount of crime...

Edit: Oh, and it even says that at the bottom of those charts:

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leejo

What's your point? Should everyone who sits on a jury be required to interpret the evidence presented before them and interpret the law, or should they cast no stone unless they are free of sin? IMO America is not required to be perfect in order to exercise its military force to effect policy. We were attacked.

Beatnik

This is a late reply, but I want to say this at least once.

I completely agree with Leejo.

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You're right. But there is a difference.

We mainly bomb military targets or military targets of opportunity. We aren't going to bomb innocents just for the hell of it. We aren't flying an A-10 Warthog/Thunderbolt into the middle of the local mall and dropping napalm during the Christmas Rush unlike a lot of these radicals in the middle east.

Again, we mainly shoot military targets or military targets of opportunity. The military isn't out in the street shooting people trying to board a bus to NYC. Unlike these radicals who walk into a bus station in the middle of Bahgdad and begin shooting women and children for no apparent reason.

We usually torture military personel in order to gain information. We aren't torturing them because we think its fun or because we flat out don't like that the person in question drives a Mercedes and works in a bank. Unlike these Muslim radicals in the middle east who capture and torture school children because they hate Americans and the western world because they are ignorant.

No, the breaker DID trip for the United States because we aren't in fear of the military or government radicals breaking into our home for the sake of keeping the people inline. The US has never tortured anyone unless their was a reason, we have never bombed anyone unless there was a reason and we never shot anyone unless there was a reason. And they never involved innocents or non-combatants.

Note: we haven't deliberately bombed, shot or tortured innocents because mistakes do happen. But in the case of the middle east, none of it is justifiable.

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but cingular, i have choices every day, and i can choose to do something awful or i can chose to do something worth while.

while i dont want to hear about any american and coalition trrops dying i find it a little harsh to say, well he could have done this and he was probably willing to do this. you are more than likly correct about the individual, but i am more than capable of killing people if i should choose. for me the fact he didn, and he attacked a legitimate target, i make a distinction....

i can see your point though... i just have to disagree. because what you are saying means dont matter who they attack they are terrorists... which i dont agree with.

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CingularDuality

Do you think that he, as an individual, chose to attack a well armed group of American soldiers? That he wanted to attack a massive modern tank in a tiny civilian vehicle? Do you think that he went to Syria and purchased the parts and plans to build the massive bomb that he was hauling?

No. He didn't. My point is that he's part of a larger organization, that he was told who he was going to attack and that his organization does not limit themselves to military targets. If he belongs to/associates himself with a terrorist organization, regardless of his immediate target, that makes him a terrorist.

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