ScratchMonkey

And the next time you think "there oughta be a law" and pester a politician to make some personal behavior illegal, realize that you're putting a cop on the front line to enforce that law, making his life all the more difficult.

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Buck Fush

I actually would follow any order given to me by any cop on the side of the road. At that point in time, he is in charge and he is trained to stay in charge. When he/she gives you an order, they either believe they're giving you a lawful order, or they know full well they're not but either way, they're the ones with the power to use lethal force. If you don't agree with an order that you are given, there are proper channels to address your issue; the side of the road is no place to do that.


And as people who actually do this for a living and not just fantasize about what it would be like have told you, shooting for the leg is not a tactic that is actually employed by any one other than TV cops. It's really hard to hit someone in the leg, especially if they are moving. Is there something about this concept you don't get?

That's not inflamatory, it's true. You spout something that anyone who has ever shot at a moving target can tell you is utter nonsense and then get mad when you're called on it. We have professionals who are actually in this line of work, and yet you seem to know more about how easy it is to shoot someone in the leg than them. I guess you're actually just the smartest person I know. Got any tips on writing code for me? My doctor is having a problem identifying this growth on my back, would you mind looking at it and giving him your opinion?

Buck Fush

PS I was happy to see the cop in the second video tell his CO, "I'm fine, I'm absolutely fine"

(Or something like that. The video won't let me fast-forward and I'm not watching all of that again.)

CingularDuality

So was I. I've been in situations where things could easily have been just a bit different and I would've been forced to decide whether or not to shoot someone. I don't think that decision will be difficult for me, and I certainly hope that it's an unambiguous "good shoot" if I ever have to...

As it is now, the only time I was faced with the decision of whether or not to use deadly force, it was against a pit bull and she's lucky she whimpered and cowered instead of growled and advanced. Turned out to be a sweet dog...

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SmokingTarpan

The guy who was talking to the CO wasn't the one who fired the shot, just in case you thought that was him. He was sitting on the guard rail in the background.

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Beatnik

Just out of curiosity, has anyone actually been hit with a stun gun or taser? I had the misfortune of actually getting stabbed in the neck by a stun gun and then zapped while I was in high school, as part of some ongoing gang violence at a Memorial Day festival where I lived. While I was paralyzed on the ground, I got the ever loving crap beat out of me for a good 10 seconds, until one of my buddies started a scuffle and created a big enough distraction for me to get up an run. Not one of the better nights of my life.

My biggest objection to Tasers is not in their use as non-lethal tools for inducing compliance (which is BTW much less painful than pepper spray, which I've also gotten a taste of), but in the fact that Taser-brand stun guns only allow 5 second bursts. Stun guns with a gradient setting seem much more appropriate to me (as with the lady in the original thread, who I still won't comment on). But then again, IANALEO.

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Buck Fush

I did think he was the one that took the shot.


Well, I hope he's ok then.

leejo

Beatknik, you are such a goddam hippie. And I mean that with every bit of disdain that an evil bastard like Cartman could muster.

Uh, yeah somehow I've managed to avoid ever being hit with a stun gun or pepper spray. I've even avoided a 10 second beating, although in boarding school a guy once bit my finger after he accused me of giving him laryngitis. He'd been up for a few days...

I have been arrested three times (though it's been a while) and enjoy quoting Stripes when asked:

Beatnik

LOL. I didn't really have a point in that post other than this thread was an opportunity for me to tell my 'taser story' which usually only gets told after a few beers and the subject of tasers or massive, one-sided beatdowns comes up. But 1-2 seconds is plenty to incapacitate/paralyze someone. I can't imagine what 10+ seconds would be like. Either way, I was curious if anyone has had the distinct misfortune of actually getting zapped.

I am curious as to what those arrests were for, though that's probably a topic for another thread. I, too, have never been convicted of a felony.

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JMJ

Nope, never been hit with the taser. If we start to carry them, then we'll get hit with them. I had to take the dose of OC though, and I thought that pretty much sucked. I'd do it again though for $50

leejo

Well I just found out tonight that I'm probably going to be commuting to Austin M-TH for the next 3-6 months, so we may have those beers and I'll tell you those stories.

Beatnik

Woah. That's a helluva commute dude.

And those stories are always much better over a couple beers. Hit me up if/when you're in town.

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CingularDuality

I've been zapped. But keep in mind that you're talking about two different things. The old style "stun guns" are painful and completely different from a Taser. They just release a capacitor on your ass, while the Taser is a controlled pulse of electricity that completely overrides your nervous system and forces all of your muscles to contract. Once you stop tasing someone, they can jump right up and run away if they're determined to do so. They would no longer be physically incapacitated. Fortunately for cops, most of the time, they're mentally incapacitated at that point (they no longer have the will to fight or run for fear of getting another 5 seconds). I almost want to get zapped by a Taser just so I can contribute more to this discussion... Is that sick?

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Beatnik

Ahh Ok that makes sense. Yeah my incident was back in 1993, and I literally couldn't move at all once I hit the ground after it happened. All I could see were feet flying at my face and chest and whatnot.

Now I'm thinking the same thing - I've been misinterpreting all of these videos I've been watching thinking it was the same subjective experience I had. Who wants to bring a Taser to the next TG meetup? I'll bring the video camera.

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