Apophis

The Daily Show takes more content out of context for the point of providing humor, the end result of which is disinformation, than any other news show I've seen. The context they exclude from their reports often contradict their "conclusions". It's a funny show that I do watch quite a bit, but not for any level of quality editorial "reporting".

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xTYBALTx

That would be the "junk" I was referring to. The Daily Show just has less than the other editorial shows - with the added benefit of reporting on items no one else will touch.

An example of this kind of junk is when they say Bush et al were being hypocritical by saying "we don't monitor domestic calls" while the NSA data mining (collecting information about calls, but not the calls themselves) continues. Out of context? Yes, Bush was talking about listening to calls, not collecting data on which calls were made where. Junk? Perhaps. . .but you gotta know that Bush et al were coming pretty close to lying and were certainly misleading.

No one else hammers people like that, demanding not only explicit integrity but honesty in what speech may imply.

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leejo

I don't see what Bush said as coming close to lying at all. I don't think it would have been appropriate for him to lay out everything we're *not* doing for everyone's benefit either. It's an honest answer to the question before him that doesn't reveal the scope of intelligence efforts.

Steeler

I have to disagree with that. There is no Democratically partisan media institution on the same level of organization or intent as FOX is for the Republicans. And speaking as someone who is routinely lumped into the "left," CNN ain't my party. Trying to be an objective observer here, I would criticize CNN as lazy and FOX as partisan and lazy. That's just the way I see it. You will see ideological bias creeping into any broadcast at some level, but at FOX it is institutional.

I agree with this. My state has one of the worst records for corruption, nepotism, and scandal across both parties. However I see this argument frequently used to deflect attention away from chiefly partisan scandals, such as the Jack Abramoff thing or the K-Street project (which is little more than Republican brand corruption in a bowtie). The "everybody's doing it" defense. Not that I'm claiming you're doing that here, I just hear it a lot.

Leejo, for every Barrett Report there is a Downing Street Memo. If members of Congress wanted to make an issue out of either, they could. And if you want to do a direct comparison, do you really think that an under-investigated and redacted case about tax fraud 10 years ago is more newsworthy than American soldiers torturing Iraqi prisoners? I mean, regardless of politics that is a pretty damn major story.

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Apophis

You live in Rhode Island too? We have horrible corruption in almost every level of government here. I'm in a solid blue state too! I still don't see how anyone can point to any one party as being the "corrupt" party. Both the Democrats and Republicans are equally corrupt and in need of a serious beating.

I don't like the everybody's doing it defense. But I also don't like the passive defense of the Democratic party being that very same form of deflection. You can't point fingers at the Republicans and then negate the very same style of corruption in the Democratic party by claiming the Republicans are practicing an "everybody's doing it" method of defense. Everybody IS doing it and it is as equally corrupt in both parties and they are BOTH guilty regardless of what method of defense you want to try and use.

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Wyzcrak

Fair to say that this is opinion?

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Apophis

If you're a Democrat, I wouldn't expect you to see any organization that isn't as left leaning as FOX is right leaning. Those leaning to the left would simply be the more "accurate" and "fair" networks based on your political beliefs.

I am a registered Republican, but my mindset is more independent than anything else. I'm not one to jump on ANYONE'S bandwagon or let ANYONE do my thinking for me. I'm also not going to believe something just because it was reported on the news. My first response to hearing anything political or law related is to try and find out what i'm NOT being told. What motivating factors are involved. What are the context and circumstances involved in indivial A coming to decision X.

My reason for primarily watching FOX is because I am sick of hearing news outlets across the country blaming everything on Bush and I'm sick of hearing conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory. There's too much hate in the liberal media and Democratic party. I'm tired of the hate and would rather hear solutions and proposals to our problems as opposed to nitpicking other people's plans. I find that CNN and CBS to be very willing participants in the hatemongering.

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Apophis

Of course. But if you're just here to nitpick and not actually contribute anything else, please exit stage left. If you want to contribute to the discussion at hand with your own thoughts, opinion and commentary, please feel free.

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Steeler

If you're looking to Fox news as an alternative to hate, then all I have to counter is bewilderment. Are you talking about the daily news reporting or the commentary?

For the record, I'm not a Democrat.

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leejo

In response to your bewilderment, I ask you to cite a few examples of the hate you seem to be implying Fox...uh...mongers.

FWIW I don't see a whole lot of hate-mongering on any "serious" news source, except maybe the NY Times editorial pages. However, there are consistent editorial decisions about which stories will carry weight and how stories are crafted that reveal the intentions behind those decisions.

Drizzid

I agree with Apophis on this, I am also a registered Republican and have come to the conclusion that both Republican and Democrats have lost their purpose and that is to serve the people. Both parties are now special interest groups which I think is wrong. They now only look to their agendas instead of the needs of the people.

I too have started to look at myself as an Independent, as I can objectively see both sides of things but the media has fallen in line with the two parties and are standing on one side of the line or the other. There isn't a news outlet that doesn't have an agenda and isn't "in bed" with one party or the other.

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experiment626

I too am looking for solutions. Media by it's very nature is driven by the money, it has to be. It takes money to bring you the information, right or wrong, left or right. And they will appeal to where ever they think they can draw the money. I believe FOX stepped into the picture, way back when, because they found a niche. If any of these people failed to make money, they would dry up and go away. Each has a particular audience and will cateer to that audience as their source of income.

I'll admit, I no longer watch any of them. I gave up TV 8 months ago, and quite frankly Don't miss it I catch new on the internet, through newspapers, on the radio...bits and pieces here and there. But i honestly think i get a bigger picture then some of these people who rely on "network" news. I also have to say that i do not follow the political discussions like I probably should...I know this is bad, I was a born a citizen, I served my time, and I am responsible for the future country that I leave my children. But I am getting so tired of the same thing year after year after year...

Havn't you all noticed it? I've seen Republicans, and Democrats come and go, and no matter which side stands up and says "SEE! Look what I've done!" Nothing has changed...guess I'm not doing so great for my children, but Damn, I'm getting tired of trying...

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Apophis

Mostly the news reporting. The commentary is only valuable to make you think (mostly about what they're not telling you) and some entertainment value. I guess over the past few years I've gotten VERY cynical about all news agencies including print, radio and television. I'm sick of the news either propigating hate, trying to sell me something, or influence me towards their own political beliefs.

I just want to know what's happening in my state, country and world.

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TheFeniX

Well, I may just be some confused libertarian, but I don't see any other news outlet completely whoring themselves out to any party. You think Monica and Clinton was a scandal? I've got a headline right here:

"Fox and Bush: Behind closed doors."

It even reads like a porno.

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Apophis

I don't see Fox completely whoring themselves out either. Let me ask you this, how many shows on Fox news have you watched recently? If they are completely whoring themselves out to a particular party why have they been trashing Bush on a variety of issues? Remember, this is the same network that brought you Tony Snow, the guy that called Bush incompetent and later became the White House Press Secretary. I just don't see how they can be so critical of the Bush administration yet still be branded as "completely whoring themselves out" to a specific party.

Did you intend on enclosing a link with your post? I think you may have forgotten it.

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