DudeMan

no i have not a care in the world for your comments merely because i have shown the comment she made and made it quite clear the comment was aimed at me,

i actually invloved luna, and luna is quite capable of defending herself i think, but correct me if im wrong luna you could just get him to argue for you with rhetoric.

works for shakespear, not for me,

Geisha

Yes, if you want to talk about how they were repeatedly beaten down by various African and Asian nations, plus some random marauding Europeans during the Crusades. But even the Jewish nation has to admit by its own Torah (see Christian Genesis) that they themselves militarily occupied the area that is Israel because God told them it was OK to beat up the unbelievers who were there before even THEM. That's why it's the "Promised Land" - God promised they could have it and never mind about the people who were there at the time.

So all that plus Luna's point about the few Indian tribes left in the US makes "who was in Israel first" completely pointless to argue. Most people within a 3-country radius can probably claim some sort of ancestry that would argue they were in Israel before someone else.

For the Palestinians, it's case of being the most recently ejected.

This is just an opinion, but I think the land there just won't comfortable support the number of "Israelis" and "Palestinians" that want to live there, which translates itself into enough people being unwilling to share and making it miserable for the rest. If we had a history of fighting to the death over who got to live in Beverly Hills or Manhattan, instead of making it ONLY a matter of who has enough money, LA and NY could probably be as bad as Israel. And further, if someone had armed enough Native Americans 200 years ago, I think most of the US would be in the same boat. Without sinking a whole lot of technology into making that area more fertile or in some other way self-sufficient, I'm not sure Israel is solvable even if everyone were perfectly reasonable and could leave religious differences aside.

H-Hour

That's an interesting take and one I haven't considered enough. When looking at land-per-capita, I think there is enough space, but I imagine the more important matters of natural resources and sustainable agriculture present serious problems. A search for "Israel Natural Resources" on Amazon.com brought up a few promising (but expensive) books. Definitely something I'd like to look into, thanks for bringing it up.

Fait_Maker

She stated your comment and said "that's racist", not "you're racist". Luna did defend herself but as usual you ignored the whole point behind her message including the part where she said "I'm not judging you". Dude, take your blinders off, read what people are saying and formulate a reply. Check your anger and naive notions at the door.

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DudeMan

WHATEVER DUD YOU KNOW I REALLY CANT BE BOTHERED.

CingularDuality

Then stay out of the SandBox, Dudeman. It's a simple solution, really...

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phyllis

Agreed....

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DudeMan

no thank you cing,

maybe i just cant be bothered to argue with fait maker about beef i had with luna,

ok so i will stay where i want to go thank you very much.

ok

Fait_Maker

That might be because you simply have no arguement at all. You were wrong. You were shown you were wrong. Now be a big boy and admit you were wrong instead of pandering us with you apathetic ways. I find it interesting how many times you stepped into a discussion that had NOTHING to do with you, but you call me on it? Grow up little man and stop being hypocritical.

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luna

No Dudeman- you see, Fait is right here. I was NOT calling YOU a racist. I was saying you can't go around harrassing a whole group of people for the actions of a few. Last time I checked, you PERSONALLY have never done such a thing. The "you" you are referring to was not aimed at YOU. Look at the context.

And thank you, Fait. I wasn't going to bother to clarify, since my point seemed missed. Thank you for showing me that my point was received by somebody.

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CingularDuality

One more "heated" post in this thread and I'm gonna lock it. Let's get the discussion back on topic and quit taking things so personally...

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leejo

Did you know that every time Dudeman gets into three or more fights in different threads simulatenously, the stock market goes up? DID YOU????

Fight on my brother! Don't let the man keep you down!

Fait_Maker

But.. but.. it is the sandbox after all. What's the point if we can't throw sand?

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Throwing sand is one thing, direct personal attacks is another....one is tolerated...the other isn't...

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If someone's post pisses ya off...go relax a bit before you post, it'll save all of us a bit of a headache....

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Zebra

Jews are about an 80% majority in Israel. I guess if they gave citizenship to the Arabs in the Golan, West Bank, and Gaza they'd be a slim majority or a minority, but that's never going to happen.