Pacifism and the War

**leejo** · 05-29-2006, 11:06 PM

We've seen Orwell's 1984 quoted. Here's an essay he wrote that folks might also enjoy quoting.

http://www.orwell.ru/library/article...english/e_patw

Mateo · 05-30-2006, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by leejo

We've seen Orwell's 1984 quoted. Here's an essay he wrote that folks might also enjoy quoting.

http://www.orwell.ru/library/article...english/e_patw

33 Reads and no responses? Wow, you guys are slipping!

Ok, I'll say it, just for old times' sake:

Leejo you are wrong, Orwell is wrong, everyone is wrong but me, because I'm all right! Outta sight!

Can you dig it?

**TG_Bubba** · 05-30-2006, 11:18 AM

WoW, Leego missed that?

**leejo** · 05-30-2006, 11:34 AM

What did I say? I just thought some folks who like to quote Orwell's doublespeak lines might like to know what he had to say about people who work against a war effort and pacifism as a social phenomenon. What?

Steeler · 05-30-2006, 11:38 AM

I'd just like to point out that this essay is less univerally relevant than 1984 or "Politics and the English Language" as it deals directly with contemporary threats and politics of the time. You might have some dificulty applying his commentary to say, the War in Iraq, as the enemy force is not Fascism, and the war opposition is not necessarily born from pacifism.

His commentary is good, however.

**leejo** · 05-30-2006, 11:41 AM

Oh I think Orwell's words stand just fine on their own. Folks can draw their own conclusions about how relevant they are to today's conflicts and today's crowd who seek to undermine their nation's war efforts.

Mateo · 05-30-2006, 11:43 AM

Actually, that reading is too literal.

You should look past the specific argument, and see the whole.

Pacificism is pro-(insert enemy's ideology, political stance, religion, etc.) because gives aid to the enemy.

**leejo** · 05-30-2006, 11:48 AM

Earth to Mateo: cha, I got that. And now, orange mocha frappuccino!

Mateo · 05-30-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by leejo

Earth to Mateo: cha, I got that. And now, orange mocha frappuccino!

I have a cold. It's the Dayquil talking.

Mateo · 05-30-2006, 12:01 PM

I'm still trying to decide if an orange mocha frappucino is a good thing, or a bad thing.

**leejo** · 05-30-2006, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TG_Mateo

I'm still trying to decide if an orange mocha frappucino is a good thing, or a bad thing.

Earth to Mateo: It's a Zoolander reference.

Quote:

- And the way Hansel combs his hair.

- Or, like, doesn't. It's like, "ex-squeeze" me, but have you ever heard of styling gel?

I'm sure Hansel's heard of styling gel. He's a male model.

Earth to Brint. I was making a joke.

Earth to Meekus. Duh, okay? I knew that.

Earth to Brint. I'm not so sure you did...'cause you were all, "I'm sure he's heard of styling gel"...like you didn't know it was a joke.

I knew it was a joke, Meekus. I just didn't get it right away.

- Earth to Brint...

- Would you guys stop it already! Did you ever think that maybe there's more to life...than being really, really, ridiculously good-looking? Maybe we should be doing something more meaningful with our lives. Like helping people.

Uh, Derek, what people?

I don't know. People who need help.

<snip>
You know what could really help you sort through these important issues?

What?

Orange mocha frappuccino!

Yeah!

Come on, man! Come on!

Mateo · 05-30-2006, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by leejo

Earth to Mateo: It's a Zoolander reference.

That's to Earth to Mateo's in one thread! That has to be a record.

Never watched Zoolander, which is why I missed the reference.

Steeler · 05-30-2006, 12:11 PM

Someone has been deleting my posts.

**Apophis** · 05-30-2006, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeler

Someone has been deleting my posts.

Yes, someone has been cleaning up a bunch of petty insulting posts on both sides of this discussion. You should use that as a hint to clean it up a bit and be mutually respectful.

**leejo** · 05-30-2006, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TG_Mateo

That's to Earth to Mateo's in one thread! That has to be a record.

Never watched Zoolander, which is why I missed the reference.

You should! It's a scream. I have several friends who didn't like it on first viewing but it's grown on them.

05-29-2006, 11:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,839	Pacifism and the War We've seen Orwell's 1984 quoted. Here's an essay he wrote that folks might also enjoy quoting. http://www.orwell.ru/library/article...english/e_patw

05-30-2006, 11:18 AM	#3 (permalink)
TG_Bubba Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: shhh, in HAZMAT's garage Age: 54 Posts: 6,226	Re: Pacifism and the War WoW, Leego missed that? __________________ Tactical Game Primer\|Call of Duty - Official Rules, Announcements & SOPs\|Have a problem? Need an admin? TG_Mateo: "Forget freedom, democracy, the blues and New York Pizza: Our lasting contribution to human society is Bourbon."

05-30-2006, 11:34 AM	#4 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,839	Re: Pacifism and the War What did I say? I just thought some folks who like to quote Orwell's doublespeak lines might like to know what he had to say about people who work against a war effort and pacifism as a social phenomenon. What?

05-30-2006, 11:38 AM	#5 (permalink)
Steeler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Taxachusetts Age: 30 Posts: 2,952	Re: Pacifism and the War I'd just like to point out that this essay is less univerally relevant than 1984 or "Politics and the English Language" as it deals directly with contemporary threats and politics of the time. You might have some dificulty applying his commentary to say, the War in Iraq, as the enemy force is not Fascism, and the war opposition is not necessarily born from pacifism. His commentary is good, however. __________________

05-30-2006, 11:41 AM	#6 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,839	Re: Pacifism and the War Oh I think Orwell's words stand just fine on their own. Folks can draw their own conclusions about how relevant they are to today's conflicts and today's crowd who seek to undermine their nation's war efforts.

05-30-2006, 11:43 AM	#7 (permalink)
Mateo Join Date: Aug 2004 Age: 37 Posts: 6,483	Re: Pacifism and the War Actually, that reading is too literal. You should look past the specific argument, and see the whole. Pacificism is pro-(insert enemy's ideology, political stance, religion, etc.) because gives aid to the enemy.

05-30-2006, 11:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,839	Re: Pacifism and the War Earth to Mateo: cha, I got that. And now, orange mocha frappuccino!

05-30-2006, 12:01 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mateo Join Date: Aug 2004 Age: 37 Posts: 6,483	Re: Pacifism and the War I'm still trying to decide if an orange mocha frappucino is a good thing, or a bad thing.

05-30-2006, 12:11 PM	#13 (permalink)
Steeler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Taxachusetts Age: 30 Posts: 2,952	Re: Pacifism and the War Someone has been deleting my posts. __________________

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