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Yes things were worse in WW2. Yes, I was referring to Wisconsin by my statement in parenthesis.

But I go on to say in that quote that you're comparing apples to orange, and trying to spin it as "perspective" that the war in Iraq is one of the safest in history. That is misleading. It also trivializes the sacrafices the U.S. has made in Iraq in terms of lost life and limb.

In fact, it is among the most dangerous places in the world right now. The term 'safest war' is an oxymoron if I've ever seen one.

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CingularDuality

I agree, but evidently the mainstream media and many, many liberals disagree.
I know that this is a completely seperate discussion, but I think it's important to look towards the future when making this consideration. I think that this is one of the most pivotal times in the history of the middle east. What happens in the next few months or years could drastically change things there.

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CingularDuality

Once again, you're ignoring perspective. You can't do that.

Just reword it: In terms of wars, this is the safest one that our troops have ever been in.

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TheFatKidDeath

You are again missing the point! Of course the casualties were greater in WWII than that of Iraq becasuse the conflicts are not historically related.

To repeat:

"The United States during World War II was fighting three nations who at the minimum had a combined 4 million men under arms. The Axis powers at the time had perhaps the most advanced army and navy in the world. Germany, Italy and Japan had dozens of warships, thousands of pieces of artillery, tanks and airplanes. The United States had 500,000 to 1,000,000 (or more depending on the time) troops in theater.

The Iraq insurgency has perhaps 10,000 to 20,000 lightly armed fighters. Their greatest weapon is a car bomb and IED. The Iraqi insurgency has no air force, helicopters, navy, tanks or artillery pieces. The United states has around 150,000 troops in Iraq.

WWII was a larger wider war, hence the larger casualites for the US. The Iraqi war is fought against insurgents confined to a limited geographic region. For the reasons stated above, the Iraqi insurgency simply cannot inflect the level of casualties as did Germany, Italy and Japan."

You are making a false comparison between the two conflicts. WWII and Iraq are not mutually exclusive for all the reasons stated above. One was a world conflict with larger armies invovled and the other a smaller centralized conflict fought against a much smaller guerilla army.

The larger war with larger armies will produce more casualites than one that is centralized and fought against a smaller enemy.

Iraq has a smaller number of casualites than WWII because it is a smaller conflict. Your argument that WWII was more deadly than Iraq does not deter the fact that Iraq has been enormously costly to the US, both in terms of dead, wounded, international standing and economic cost.

But hey, let's look on the bright side, at least it's not as bad as the worst war the world has ever seen!

Lucky Shot

Not only due to the size of the conflict and the advantages that we went in with, but from a percentage of casualties per troops deployed, it is a safer war. Regardless as to why, but it's safer than what we had in Vietnam, Korea, WWI, WWII on down the line.

Nope, they are not historically related by an means, nor was this discussion an attempt to relate them "Historically." The discussion was about which war was safer which the first line I cut from the rest of the post.

This is something we already discussed and there is a steadily decreasing casualty count with all weapons as well as specifically IED's.

In fact, it's no where close! I look forward to seeing your repeat, err... I mean reply.

Lucky Shot

TheFatKidDeath

I'll say it for the last time. Your argument that Iraq is a "safer" war because there were less casualties than WWII is specious for the reasons I have stated.

Your position is like me claiming that Ted Bundy is a "safer" serial killer because Gary Ridgway murdered more victims.

The next time you see an Iraq war veteran, besides thanking them for their service, be sure to let him or her know that they fought in perhaps our country's "safest" war.

Lucky Shot

Didn't claim that WWII was safer than Iraq, it's the other way around. You never did answer my question about which war you considered to be safer.

I never claimed that war wasn't dangerous, but did say this was safer than other wars we have been in. I guess I would have to rely on your deep understanding of who was the safer serial killer.

I think if you did set down your protest sign and actually talked to some gulf war veterans, you would find they would probably also feel that this is a safer war than what we have seen in the past. You would also find that the vast majority of the soldiers feel that they are sacrificing a great deal because they understand it to be for a greater good.

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TheFatKidDeath

Sorry, see my last edited post for clarity on the re wording of my sentences. Just finished editing and saw your post.

This will be my final position on this as my last e-mail was to be the last.
We will have to simply agree to disagree.

CingularDuality

All the ones that I know went over there fully expecting to come back, unlike in wars past... This war, like the last Gulf War, is very different from the major wars in our history.

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