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I know you weren't necessarily addressing me in that reply (not directly, anyway), but sometimes ya gotta do something just because it's right. Yes, the intelligence was sketchy. Was that the administration's fault? I don't know. Yes, the pre-war speeches can be misleading (in retrospect, though, I think they were just vague enough to allow the public to jump to their own conclusions). Yes, this is very similar to what Moore has done in the past.

As I've said before, sometimes the choices laid before you all stink, and you have your choice of evils (evoking some Tolkein here, very applicable too in a lot of ways). I'm GLAD Saddam is out of power, and I'm glad we're the ones who did it. I hate that our soldiers and everyone's innocent civilians got caught up in it, but war is a nasty business. I believe with every fiber of my being that Saddam was going to at minimum be a constant thorn in the side, with the potential of doing something very direct and destructive to us. I'm not for taking him out at all costs, but at the end of the day I'm thrilled he's out of power because of what he meant in the world structure.

I do not believe we have to take out every potential threat NOW in order to achieve some sort of weird moralistic goal. The opportunity was there for us to address this problem, the attitude of the American people was open to it, and there was a threat that if we didn't take this opportunity, someone else would have to later at a possibly higher cost in lives, money, etc.

I don't believe the administration intentionally misled the public; I allow they may have presented some information with the hope that we would assume some things that would make us permissive of an invasion. And if Clinton, Kerry, Carter, or Ted Kennedy were the president and had done this, I would feel the same way.

Sometimes right is just right, it doesn't matter who's driving.

jex

That attitude of the american people was manipulated to address the problem by lies from the administration for an unjust war. This is why this thing is being taken so seriously.

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DudeMan

loose the attitude jex,, whats the matter do people not agree with you all the time, ever heard of bit torrent paL

dont accuse me of things you knmow nothing about, go crawl back under the rock you came from, contrary to what you think there is this magical tool called the internet and you can go see things that your country doesnt show... but then again someone who is soo ignorant of this fact would jump to conclusions,

dont take a tone with me and try to belittle me with insults pal you are under informed and over opinionated and it is showing.

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

DudeMan

well websters in online prove it dont just spout it

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

DudeMan

actually no you were misled by tony blair the american people took much less emphasis on the actual wmds, yers it was a reason however unlike this country they had more reasons,

sadam supporting alqueda qhich depite lots of critisism turned out to have many elements of truth, and also the brutal regiem, dont confuse what Mr blair said,

further more the reason it is being taken seriously is because the people of the USA are trying to blaim the name game and asswipes with half informed facts and fabricated evidence convincing them bush was to blaim is a comfort.

notr true but a comfort

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

DudeMan

ill agree with that, tthis discussion was crystal untill it was hyjacked by certain people and their overwhelming desire to piss people off with subtle but very inflamatory comments

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

leejo

subtle like a silent fart

DudeMan

lol bout right

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

jex

I'm not american, that's why my post didn't centre on the Brits who were misled also. The Iraqi 'imminent threat' is what the USG used to justify a war.

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Zebra

That was quoted directly from a definition Fait_Maker posted earlier in this thread, so you may direct your demands for more proof and less spout to him.

DudeMan

ill direct them at the person i see making them, it is therfore up to you to aqquire the evidence, because you have used the text.

you choose to use it as evidence but you dont think to check its validity, well then it is saying alot more about you there pal

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

jex

I don't have an attitude Dude. Now you're once again resorting to name calling - typical of one who's loosing an argument. I haven't 'jumped' to any conclusions I draw an opinion from facts. If this upsets you I can hardly be to blame for that now can i?

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DudeMan

right ok and what name have i called you again, or are you just trying to get someone in admins attention so they can close the thread, you see that would siut you wouldnt it.

and telling me " what are you babbling about" oh but this isnt inflamatory and insulting and moreover condesending.

dont pull the puppy dog stance it wont work

fact is you faced alot of resistance and decided to take it out on others, you can be blaimed for that

now why dont you do what leejo says and stop insulting people for effect and actually discuss the subject.

i think that would be a preciated all round

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

leejo

Hey hey everyone. This is rapidly becoming what lawyers call a "pissing match". Can't we just agree that I'm right and you're wrong? Come on!!!

Seriously, let's either agree that this horse has been beaten to death and move on or settle down and make points in a respectful, calm, manner.

DudeMan

amngst other things, but again to satisfy your argumet you dont care to ackbowlege these other factors that we were not shown and the american public were.

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"