Wolfie

Who said I took these guys word over Moore's? I don't listen to any of the above.

Zebra

Nobody, including me. What I asked was why Moore gets all the attention when the quantity of his propaganda in a year is a fraction of a percent of what they put out daily.

You probably don't make a habit of watching Moore's movies either, but you've contributed to the numerous threads about him here. And I'm not trying to single you out Wolf. Quite a few people have started threads focusing on Moore, and there's obviously more to it than some undying concern for the truth.

Zebra

You mean Fair And Balanced (TM).

DudeMan

if you openly watch a film that you know will contain half truths then you open yourself up to the propaganda. if someone says something enough times to enough people then someone will believe it. and that is the danger,

you say we are subjected to propaganda, well surely the way forward is not to create another piece of half truthed propaganda but to tell the absolute truth as it happened. the reason this filmmaker has not done this is the truth is both well known and boring.

it wouldnt win an award

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Fait_Maker

Moore is getting this attention because someone posted a thread about his movie. I would be interested in what you consider propaganda or "not completely factual" from Savage and Hannity.

You could always start a thread about a subject you are concerned about. I'm sure you would get posts replying to them as well. I got an idea. You start a thread listing the things you think is propaganda from any of the people you listed and we'll see where that goes.

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Fait_Maker

I couldn't have said that any better myself.

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DudeMan

i took a screenie of this just to show my grandkids, we agreed on something...lol

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"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

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"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

alcdotcom

There's a difference (at least for me) between watching something to be entertained and opening myself up to something. But If you close yourself off from something on the grounds that someone told you it was "bad" or "untruthful" instead of making up your own mind using the critical thinking skills you've (hopefully) developed during your adult life...that is dangerous. If (hypothetically) someone was worried that going to see a movie would change his/her beliefs on something, then that person either doesn't hold very strong beliefs, or is just feeble minded. ("These are not the droids you are looking for")

So, I'm going to see this movie because I'd like to make up my own mind, but mostly because I want to be ENTERTAINED.

Cheers.

BTW- Not a Moore fan. Not a Bush fan (although-did vote for him as the lesser of the two evils) Not a Republican, Democrat, Independant, or Socialist.

USN_Squid

A good article with point by point "clarifications":

link

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Wolfie

Are you saying that he presents all the facts in his "documentaries"? Does he resist editting parts of interviews, speeches, etc that may present a different spin on his opinion?

It is a known fact that Michael Moore will edit and/or leave out facts and statements that do not coincide with his opinions. If that is incorrect, then I am just as guilty as Moore....but seeing how some of his past movies have been showned to be biased and lacking key facts.............

Wolfie

I contribute a lot of stuff to various threads around here (politics, laws, social issues, etc). Someone started the Michael Moore thread and I made my opinions/stances knowned.

Also, just because you haven't supported Moore by seeing his "documentaries" doesn't mean you are not allowed to voice your opinions on his style of presenting the "truth", especially if it is a well known fact that Moore doesn't present the truth, he presents facts that back up his claims and that is all.

Fait_Maker

It does happen on occasion.

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DudeMan

well no more than anything i am not going to give this guy money, i have seen enough from compies and pirate clips to see i dont want to allow him to have my money when it comes out on Kazaa or as a bit torrent ill see the whole thinng but i will not actlivly search it out, i have seen one of his other films cant remember the name though, and its crappy

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"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

HairyNevus

The way I see it, the right wing controls its own news channel. Can't the left have a filmaker? I hope this costs Bush the election, I hate him with a passion. Anyone who starts a war for false motives, hands the VP's former company some hefty contracts, tax cut to the wealthy, and can't keep a smirk off his face when talking about an American beheading shouldn't be president.

Moore brings out the other side of the argument, watch FoxNews for the rest. Oh wait, they just scream and make up s*!t over there. Whoops, my bad again, that is the other side. (prove me wrong people)

The thing I really have a problem with critics of Moore is they can never put into words exactly why they hate him and use good reasoning and facts.

.....And, why?
You know the other side is really digging deep when they have to stoop to insults about people. And since when do Republicans (or the right wing) have the right to accuse people of being rich? And where's the proof he is rich?

GAHH! Stuff like that pises me off

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and so doesnt every politican on the face of the earth....