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USN_Squid

You're kidding right? No really this was joke I didn't get right?

I guess I'll go backwards since that seems to be the progression of your logic.

-Moore isn't rich? Who can afford a manhatten penthouse?

-No facts about why I disagree with Moore? Apparently you skipped the entire thread to emote.

-It's not possible to prove a negative. Please provide your facts that Fox News "scream and make up s*!t"

-A blanket contract to Halliburton was given over ten years ago in a BIDDING PROCESS. Please go read more.

-What false motives? There are so many stories of WMD in Iraq now.....transferred to Syria....scientists being recuited by terrorists there now...so many suspect sites and so few have been investigated. This chapter is not even close to closed and you are so ready to condemn the President for lying?

-Fox news channel at least attempts to present two sides of the story. NYTimes, LATimes, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC don't do much RAH RAH for Bush. And each one of them has ten times the audience numbers that Fox has.

-Sure you can have one filmaker. How about most of Hollywood? Except for Arnold and Willis.


I guess this pretty sums up where you are coming from:
"I hope this costs Bush the election, I hate him with a passion."

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jex

So how come the new head of the iraqi government is an ex-CIA agent (as if there's such a thing as an 'EX' agent?

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Fait_Maker

Let's be more precise since we are all talking about truth here. Prime Minister Iyad Allawi was financed by the CIA. He was never an agent. Google it if you don't believe. It takes 30 seconds.

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Fait_Maker

Let's not forget that sarin was found in an artillery shell. It was never reported by Saddam. They may or may not find more. It depends on where and how well Saddam hid it. It's a big desert.

I actually did too. Being an Atheist, I don't care for Bush's religion mixing with his politics. That being said, after much thought and research, trying to find out fact and fiction, I have come to decide that Bush has the best intentions. Everything, other than the religion, that I railed on him for, I've found to not be true.

Bush never said that Saddam was involved in 9/11. He said that Saddam was involved with Al Queda. That has been proven true.

Bush's economy is just as strong as Clinton's ever was. Clinton got a gift because when he was elected the economy was on the upswing. Bush was elected as we were moving into a recession and THEN got hit with 9/11. After all that, we are still doing as good, if not better than we were during Clinton's term.

Bush may have cut taxes for the rich, but he did for the poor like me too. I got more back this year than I ever have.

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Fait_Maker

Moore is making a lot of money off a documentary that may be only half-truths about this war and Bush's role in it. Can you call it "blood money"? I don't know. Is it wrong? I don't really know that yet either. I'm still trying to decide. However, we expect politicians to have a bit of untruth telling. It goes with the territory and it is actually, at times, a good thing. I don't think the American public always needs to know, NOW. When we do know, we broadcast our secrets across public television, like troop positions. I'd rather they lie to us, get the job done, then come back and tell the truth. Media is as much to blame for this as anyone.

MM has no valid reason to create untruths. He's made a film that while billed as opinion and not "accurate journalistic work", people expect it to be truthful. If it's anything other than that, it's fiction and should be labeled as such, right next to "Star Wars".

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DudeMan

yeah come on jex nice try but seriously you have proved the one thing i hate about michael moore, this is the kind of statement you would expect from him

truth he was financed by the CIA ok fine, brilliant you could take some conspiracy from that granted.

he was an agent. not true, but saying this throws the whole discussion into shady deals. can we not forget that the new president is in power for only 6 months after which the new president will be electd by the iraqis people. and thats just it, you cant beat democracy, because this guy is there to work closely with the coalition, and i agree after the recent conflict some cooperation is needed, but 6 months from now the elections will be held in which every iraqis citizen over the age of 18 (unless i am mistaken and women still cant vote) will be able to vote for their next president.

and that Hairy, is why this war was needed, halabja is why this war was needed, god knows how many bodies found in mass graves is why this war was needed. torture prisions for those who opposed the agressive regime is why this war was needed. and although i cant vote ill stand up and thank Mr Bush for having the Balls that Clinton didnt to stand up to this idiot. (sadam hussien)

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

DudeMan

you mean starwars isnt true... oh god

you mean my training as a jedi with the trekies associations is ammounting to nothing..lol

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

jex

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1150386/posts


Hmmm a bit more than financed I think. How does anyone know he wasn't an agent - do you get that from your book of 'make it all up'?

Bodies in mass graves will be those from the 1st gulf war btw

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DudeMan

yes jex the end of the first gulf war the uprising was pout down with massacres, does this make it any less related.

oh that was years ago dont worry then.. what a bad approach you have chosen to take.

further more you made the assumption that he is an agent, if you have nothing to back that up well then i suppose you look at who you say has the book of made up stuff.

the entire report you posted does nothing to agrree with your argumment. infact it rectifies the argument put fourth by others acknowledging he worked WITH the CIA and not FOR the CIA. to a conspiracy theorist well those are the same, but there is a difference.

again he is there for 6 months beyond that the democratic right of the Iraqis takes over.

P.S i dont like being called a lier please leave comments about made up books out of the thread, its not needed to support your argument it is purely flamable and provokative. thank you

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

Zebra

People have posted dozens of threads here about Moore over the years. Dozens of threads over what basically amounts to a total of four hours of Moore doing what he does - opinion, propaganda, half-truths, outright lies - whatever you want to call it. I was just curious about why he generates so much interest, but apparently nobody can tell me.

You don't seriously believe Savage and Hannity are anything other than propaganda, do you? They're exactly like Moore, only they put out in a day what he puts out in a year.

Zebra

Why would it be his job to make the other side's case for them? Documentaries are allowed to have a point of view. Ever seen some of the old documentaries our own government put out? Moore's movies have nothing on "Reefer Madness" when it comes to bias, spin, or half-truths. Or even comedy, for that matter.

USN_Squid

Who would you prefer to see as the President? I don't think Mother Teresa would be a good candidate. We certainly can't put someone in that is a variable and unpredictable. Like Dude said elections are going to be there before you know it.

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Benny_

No-one will agree, but surely to form an unbiased opinion you have to understand both sides. Think what you like about Moore, I'm sure he doesn't care, but if he makes you think or question anything then he has achieved his goal.

DudeMan

peoples opinions and voices have been heard in this forumn, do not deny anyone thier opinion just because you do not see it as a reason.

all the things you mentioned about lies unthruths film making and a highly sensative political agenda is what makes this man dispicable in what he does.

lets not forget that he spouts half truths to make america blaim themselves for the towers going down. he makes it seem like Bush and Co knew that the terrorists were ther, no they didnt their may have been faint traces but if we could get crime before it happened well there would be no murder.

he has attacked the bombing of the two towers because it is so highly sensative and because people may be willing to believe what he says even though alot is not true, merely because after any tradgedyu the blaim game is played.

and further more he stands to make a fat profit out of the misery involved, and you may say well why not. well i guess anyone who does say that has less morals than I.

one example of how it should be done is Lochaby a 747 bombed over scotland photographer made no money in respect of the inncident.

Michael moore is a stupid money hungry pig who doesnt care who his FICTIONAL film hurts. sure its based on a true story but so is some of the x-files stories.

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"