DudeMan

totally disagree his goal was never about making you think it was about getting you to be his side of the political spectrum and foremost to make money off of a national tradgedy

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

DudeMan

yes i think far too much emphasis is being put on the SYMBOLIC hand over of power and everyone is not thinking of the Larger Democratic picture in 6 moths time.

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

Zebra

Bush started a war and his cronies are making a whole lot of (blood?) money off it based on information that really doesn't look any more reliable than Moore's, if you ask me.

DudeMan

so ignorance over halabja

ignorance over mass graves

ignorance over torture chambers

ignorance over political killings

well fine but i am beginning to see why you agree with moore so much.

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

Zebra

I've never tried to deny anyone their opinion, and couldn't if I did.

All those things are a thousand times more prevalent on the other political side, including using 9/11 for political and monetary gain. Haven't seen you getting too worked up about it though.

I've heard his conspiracy theory on this matter, and even if true it wouldn't cause me to blame myself a bit.

I doubt he cares about anything other than a lot of people seeing his movie, and
unprofitable movies either aren't put out, or don't play for more than a week. That's the way our mass media/free market system works. The public will decide whether or not he's successful.

I'm sure his 2004 profits will pale in comparison to Halliburton's though.

Zebra

All of those would have been great reasons for Reagan not to wholeheartedly support Saddam, but I don't believe any were cited as reasons for our preemptive war on Iraq.

jex

1-No I'm saying the mass graves came from the WAR not the after affects. tens of thousands of people died through the war, millions died in the 10 years after and they had to be buried. MAss graves do not indicate genocide necessarily.

2-I have the fact that he worked for the CIA to back up my side which is more than you have.

3-With, For - all the same thing to me. Saddam was a CIA installed puppet wasn't he? What's conspircay theories got to do with anything? History repeating itself.

4-We'll see if he is.

5-I wasn't calling you a liar. You made up the 'fact' that he wasn't an agent based on no facts at all. If you don't wish to be called on these points then refrain from making them. I don't know he's an agent, but then again I don't trust bush & co to tell the truth. He may not be an agent but links with the CIA smell fishy to me when you look through the history books.

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jex

Squid - Read what you just wrote - "We can't put someone in" - what do we have to do with it? It's not democratic for another country to elect a leader is it?

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leejo

Jex, who cares if he worked for the CIA? The Iraqi people seem behind him. Furthermore, I'm sure lots of honorable people "worked" for the CIA in Soviet Russia. Loads of French "worked" for the allies when France was occupied by Germany. Are you suggesting that it was dishonorable for an Iraqi to work to undermine SH's regime or maybe it would have been better for the UN to fund such efforts to topple a nation's government? Where should the money come from in your judgment?

Is your point that such people are disqualified from future roles of responsibility?

DudeMan

I DISAGREE THE uk TOOK THE STANCE OF THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION WHICH mR bLAIR IS PAYING FOR HOWEVER I DISTINCTLY REMEMBER mr BUSH PLACING EMPHASIS ON MORE THAN WMDS , THE REMOVAL OF THE REGIEM WAS ONE OF THEM


and judginh reagen for putting sadam in well ok fair to do accept you have the benefit or hiensight.

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

DudeMan

no Jex that does not make you right.

your next point summs it up.

WELL ALL WELL AND GOOD but it does not make you right. it just means there is enough evidence to satisfy you, which i am sorry you are too easily swayed into national conspiracy and that is not enough evidence for me.

you cant just say he worked for them therefore he must be an agent and there must be dodgy dealings, as i have said before the president for now is just for now it is a symbolic hand over, where is the differemce between the coalition staying incontrol for another 6 moths till the elections or the Symbolic government staying in control

there is one difference, and that is the justice for the iraqis people if the coalition tries and secures a conviction for sadam then it will always be dogged the coalitions military court injustice. with the legal and judical system set in iraq to begin proceedings, it means that iraqis officials are taking responsability in their own courts.

and before you say its still injustice, yesterday the pre court hearing took place, it may take up to a year and a half for this to come to trial, after the elections.

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

jex

Well that's isn't enough to sway me in fact. I'm going back through years of previous examples. The fact that yet another man with CIA links put in power doesn't worry you at all and that's fine - I however remian skeptikal about the whole process and the war itself. I have seen nothing that makes me think the west aren't profitting from this big.

Leejo - well in the interests of democracy and past installed leaders i think we should care. Once we cease to care we then lets others dictate to us. Having a man with links to the CIA may be all well and good - however we know from the past that this isn't the case so how can we be so sure now? The trouble is that history is all too soon forgotten and when it's brought back up, few read it and nothing gets changed.

leejo

I don't understant your post at all Jex.

jex

I was saying it's a repeat of history.

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DudeMan

I am sorry but you are very Machiavellian and you constaltly overlook the progress we have made and dog it in suspision.

if the coalition had stayed in control you would be complaining if we hosted the elections you would be complaining, i think its time to agree to disagree, i cannot agree with your reasoning, and it is aparant you cant agree with mine.

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"