Rampage

Wow, that's a pretty pompous statement. Anyone who supports Bush is incapable of finding fault with him? Thanks for letting me know how to think.

_Ender_

Its true 99% of the time.

DudeMan

actually not tue there was an entire debate hosted about the journalistic endevours of this FOX reporter. i was his biggest critic because he was so opinionated and i said then, such bias should not be shown on mainstream TV or production because its dangerous.

Further more, there is a difference as i see it between an opinion and half truths and shoddy facts made up to support your opinion. if you have an opinion based on the real hard core facts, then express it, if you have an opinion, and for the sake of film and the benefit of your argument, make the facts to support that opinion, then you are sick and wrong to call it a documentary.

oh and for christ sakes, what is the point of this statement please. what like i dont agree or anyone who doesnt agree should just shut up talking about it because there aint nothing we can do, yeah sure Ender, lets all do that then

sorry but this seems like a bit of a knee jerk argument worth nothing at all, with all due respect surely you can voice your opinion without trying to shut peopple up like that

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Fait_Maker

Funny, I never said I was pro-bush. That is your label, not mine. Also, you haven't argued with anyone about anything. You have stated incredibly baseless claims. I pointed out the fallacy in your arguements and you moved the arguement to something else, which I pointed out the fallacy of that as well. I've asked you to back things you say up with facts and yet you've never given me any. Checkmate.

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DudeMan

this is kind of funny, are you generalising that "people who like bush" are some kind of different species, they do not adhear to your humanly argumentative form, they are somehow ingrained to be different from you and that is bad,

i think with reguards to this its not the people that support bush its you, and i dont mean any disrespect but if someone holds a point of view that is different i.e they like bush, does that mean if they do not agree with the argumnet you put forward, then the are bing argumentative. it seems like it is beyond your conception that you could possible be wrong.

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

_Ender_

I did back something up and you attacked it as being false with out any proof at all... I've pretty much given up anyway. This entire argument is pointless, you believe one thing I believe another.

_Ender_

Trust me, I am used to being wrong.. I have no problems with being wrong.. but the arguments I have seen here and with my friends you cant argue with a Bush fan. Every time you say something bad about bush that you saw on tv or read they pull the "thats just the liberal media talking" card.

Thats why I dont get into these types of arguments.. they're pointless because no matter the proof you post, its always the leftist media or the right wing that just made it up to bash Bush.

TBH I should of just kept my mouth shut on this too..

_Ender_

baleeted!!!!

DudeMan

SORRY I JUST CANT ACCEPT THAT THIS GENERALISATION IS TRUE OF AMERICANS THAT LIKE BUSH AS A WHOLE. it may be popular argument but you are also quilty of the same thing, you automatically disbelieve the rightwing guys when they accuse the leftwing media of bashing bush, why because it conflicts with your beliefes. i dont think its as cut and dry as you make out,

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"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

Rampage

I don't believe I've personally accused you of getting your information from "the liberal media" as you put it. I also don't believe your earlier claim regarding how Bush supporters find him infallible 99% of the time (at least I *think* that's what your statistic was in reference to).

I don't have a problem discussing political differences, but it seems when I try to answer some of the points you respond with a very broad paintbrush (and forgive me if I'm skeptical that your 99% number was retrieved anywhere but from your large intestine).

Let's review:

I support Bush. He's made some screw-ups and gaffs, outright mistakes in my view. I still support him overall.

I don't care for Moore based on viewing an admittedly limited sample of his work and hearing him in a few interviews/speaking engagements, etc. He raises some important questions that get lost in his "Bush must go at all costs" attitude.

I am not a mindless robot. Neither do I accuse you of being one. In order for discussions to maintain credibility, assertions and statistics, when introduced, must be backed up with more than a gut feeling.

Fait_Maker

I hope you aren't talking about the "Companies that supported Bush won contracts" thing. I attacked your assumption of what was posted using 100% per reason.

Ender, this isn't about belief for me. Politics is not religion. It's not brought about on faith or at least it shouldn't be. There are facts out there. You can't deny facts. If you provide me with facts, we can talk about it. If you show me a fact and tell me something that uses fuzzy logic, I'll point it out.

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Fait_Maker

I'm not a Bush fan either. I just quit kicking him for things I thought he should be kicked for, because I had the wrong impression. Now I'm arguing against those points I actually used to make, because they are wrong assumptions.

And I never once brought up anything about liberal media. You've only shown me one thing that you've quoted and I said you were drawing a conclusion that wasn't supported by what that quote said. You are trying to broadstroke me with a label that again, I don't fit. I'm not liberal and I'm not pro-bush. Just because I think Bush has done some things right and I don't believe all the wrong things Demo's accuse him of, doesn't mean I'm pro-bush.

I still don't like his religion in politics and I oppose the Patriot Act. I don't think those things are enough to burn him at the stake. I sure as hell am not going to let Kerry win. He waffles to much and has already said he'll raise taxes. From his many speeches, I've come to believe that he will be an appeaser as well. <--- opinion, not stating a fact that needs backed up.

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luna

Hear hear, Fait. I'm from the same camp, really. I used to hate Bush's guts. Now I feel I really pinned too much on him that he wasn't truly responsible for. I believe truly that he is doing what he believes is right and just. I don't think he is motivated by oil, or any other conspiracy theories of that nature.

There are things about him I still don't care for- in fact, the same ones Fait has issue with. But, I don't think they are so horrible and significant that I should try and vote him out of office. We're in the middle of a sticky situation. I'd rather give Bush the opportunity to wrap up what he began on his own terms than hand it over to Kerry to do who knows what. I think Bush needs to be able to finish what he started before we crucify him without having all of the facts on the table.

*shrug*.

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leejo

No you love him. You want to have 10000 of his babies.

Fait_Maker

Darn. You caught me.

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