Smoking Ban - Page 9

Root · 07-20-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Santa

Correct me if im wrong, but i think he was trying to point out that the viewpoint that marajuana leads to harder drugs makes as much sense as milk leading to harder drugs. Generally marajuana is used by the very casual drug user because it attracts those that dont want to get addicted, and those that just want to relax from time to time. But of course if you are the type to try hard drugs like cocaine or heroine, youve probably done marajuana at some point because its so readily available.

That's fine, but my argument is fact, Cing's was nonsense, which is why I take it as an attack.

Buck Fush · 07-20-2006, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Root

I have no direct experience of this, but my *understanding* is that one puts tobacco in with the narcotic. That would explain part or all of his friends lung cancer. Baroness Susan Greenfield is a world class expert on the brain, and she's done a lot of studies into the effects of drugs, including marijuanna. This DOES cause all sorts of nerological problems, and is very serious. Further, is DOES lead to harder drugs, which often goes hand-in-hand with crime, such as burglary. It's disgusting that the stuff is now legal in the UK. It should carry a mandatory, hard labour, prison sentance. Unfortunately, that would be a breach of European Criminal Rights, and we must all do everything in our power to procted those.

Second hand smoke does kill. Smoking in the presence of someone else should be something like attempted murder. Smoking in the presence of a child should be an open and shut case of child abuse. If people want to commit suicide in the privacy of their own home, that's fine, unless there's a law in your state against attempted suicide (which used to be the law in the UK).

I couldn't agree with you more on one point and couldn't agree with you less on the other.

Smoking while pregnant or in the presence of a child should be prosecuted as child abuse.

Just a note, I've only ever known 1 person that mixed tobacco with pot, so I don't believe that is a widespread practice.

As far as cannabis causing neurological disorders, I think you should do more reading. All credible studies have shown that, if anything, cannabis is actually a beneficial drug for those with neurological disorders.

Cannabis is as much of a gateway drug as is alcohol. The funny things is that even though it is illegal, a recent study in the states of high school kids showed that it was easier for them to get marijuana than it was for them to get alcohol. Any "gateway"-ness over and above alcohol that could be attributed to cannabis would have more to do with the fact that it's the dealers selling it and they make more money off of the harder drugs.

As for crimes committed while under the influence, we already have laws to cover those and you should be prosecuted whether you were high or not. However, I have never heard of anyone killing someone to get their "pot fix". I'm sure people get killed over large amounts, but I just don't think that many people are getting robbed by pot addicts.

If anyone here knows of someone that has been victimized by a pot head (something more than them crashing on your couch for 2 weeks) please share your story here.

I remember my mom being abused by an alcoholic she dated, but she just wound up kicking the pot head out because he was too lazy to find a job.

**CingularDuality** · 07-21-2006, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Root

That's fine, but my argument is fact, Cing's was nonsense, which is why I take it as an attack.

Your argument was certainly NOT factual. You were promoting the "gateway drug" myth, which is what I was attacking. How you took that personally is beyond me...

Root · 07-21-2006, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

Your argument was certainly NOT factual. You were promoting the "gateway drug" myth, which is what I was attacking. How you took that personally is beyond me...

Of course it's a gateway drug.

SmokingTarpan · 07-21-2006, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Root

Of course it's a gateway drug.

Only to weird orgies.

Which may or may not be a bad thing, depending on your tastes.

**CingularDuality** · 07-22-2006, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Root

Of course it's a gateway drug.

Only as much as milk is...

**kin3** · 07-22-2006, 04:35 PM

Want a raise? Quit smoking, I did about 20 years ago. Big raise and Uncle Sam didn't get a cut, in fact he got cut.

It was one of the hardest things I have ever done but wouldn't go back for nothing.

**Switchcraft** · 07-24-2006, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Switchcraft

I don't support this kind of legislation. I think if smoking is going to remain legal then there is no legit need to ban it private business establishments.

In Virginia, bars that are non-smoking make tons of money because other bars aren't. That's how it should work. Choose to go someplace that smells the way you want it to, don't make the government step in and regulate.

I see this as a terrible slope to be on. The next step will be government regulation of calories, because of "obsesity." And that's one step from being able to tell you who you can have sex with.

I said this a month ago and someone left me negative rep for it today, with no comment as to why.

I bring this up to illustrate the sensitivity of the issue. And to grin a bit at the irony of me complaining about people using governing systems to enforce their opinions on other people, and having someone react to that by...using the governing system of the forum to "punish" me for having what one has to assume is a contrary opinion. Of course, that person also didn't bother to actually ever write a post in this forum, so I don't know...

Maybe they were upset at the idea of the free market and "choice." Or maybe they think the government should be able to tell you who you can sleep with.

Either way, lame.

07-22-2006, 04:35 PM	#127 (permalink)
kin3 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mobile, Al Age: 62 Posts: 1,191	Re: Smoking Ban Want a raise? Quit smoking, I did about 20 years ago. Big raise and Uncle Sam didn't get a cut, in fact he got cut. It was one of the hardest things I have ever done but wouldn't go back for nothing. __________________ The Old Guy kin3

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