jex

So you base a test case solely on you and your reactions? I drive perfectly ok when I'm stoned - in fact I drive a lot more slowly and more relaxed. Never jumped a light, and never had an accident or come close to having one. By your own theory everyone should drive stoned lol

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Jex

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Well weed does do that, It makes your thoughts wonder and you should let it. I don't know why you find it so hard to be cognitive though - perhaps your weed is laced with PCB or something. I know a lot of people and a lot of those people have been smokers of dope. Not so much now but when we were all getting high, only occaisionally you'd get some strong stuff that would knock you for a bit. 10 minutes later though you'd be ok. Funny thing is you could smoke the same stuff the next day and not get that feeling again. You certainly wouldn't drive like that but it is possible to be stoned and perfectly cognitive at the same time.

I had some weed a while back. I hardly smoke it anymore but I got into one of those "I feel really bolloxed" modes. I still managed to kick ass in JO though lol

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[quote=RYN]Well they're hardly likely to publish the results are they? Why is it horse****? Because it goes against what you believe? If you've not checked out the facts why say it's horseh**** lol I'll ask my brother and try and get some info for you.

Are you sure you lot aren't doing angel dust - this is weed right, green, smelly stuff

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Taken from here http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stori...naIllegal.html

The decision to outlaw it was based on a smear/racsist campaign. Please read the whole article as it give a good definition of why it is illegal and how the manipulation game was played via media into government.

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Tempus

The only thing the 'war' on drugs accomplishes is that it makes drug dealers rich and puts non-violent people in jail.

Drugs should be legalized, and then the government could spend 1/10th of what they do now on treatment and education.

I do not do drugs and never have, but that is my personal decision. Many people make bad decisions in their lives, but we don't punish them to the same extent like we do with drugs.

People who want to do drugs are going to do drugs. The government can not stop them.

DudeMan

and what the hell are you doing, again you patronise, yyou have done it to me and i also find the post to ryn very patronising. take your head from your ass and read your posts jex ffs im sick of the patronising under tones.

you are baising your view on your experience you tell us about this report all well and good, i dont need to hear no ****ing report i know i smoked skunk and it effected me and my friends that way. so i dont have to justify that to you the all of a sudden expert on pot. jex there is one thing you are over looking here, if you are habitual with anything the effects on ones self are always less, its the reason you become habitual, an alcoholic can drive better with 2 pints down his neck and a smoker can drive better if they get their nicotine fix.

but if you smoke the ocaisional spliff it does alot more for you and gets you to the point where you cant think straight, and that is stupidly dangerous when driving.

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jex

Hold on a minute, you're reading too much into this again or not reading at all. I was using my example to highlight your own, I thought that point was clear enough. I do not think that because I'm alright that makes it so, but by your own words that's what you've concluded. I was pointing out that you simply cannot base a whole subject on your personal experience.

As for Ryn I don't think I was being patronising at all. I was being light hearted by I had a point. If it is horse**** (and I'm not saying it isn't), how would he know if he hasn't looked into the subject? I'm not saying I'm an expert but if people are going to claim something, back it up. There's nothing wrong with voicing an opinion but what good comes from that if you haven't looked into the subject? That's why I asked and also added the comment on belief.

It is a common trait of people to add their belief to a debate, but if that is just a belief because of what you've formed by seeing the odd news report and not looked into the subject how does that add to the debate. I hold nothing against Ryn, I think he's actually a great guy and I was hoping to get him involved in this by asking him why he thought the report was wrong. He may know more about the subject but his post didn't go into detail, which is why I posted a reply. There's nothing patronising in that is there?

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DudeMan

well actually no because mine is nto a beliefe it has this effect on me, and that is all the proof i need, i am not special and i am not unique thereforee it will effect others in this way. and if it does then it must be policy not to drive whilst on drugs. according to the law in our country smoking weed and driving is the same offense as driving whilst drunk. Intoxicated, does not just mean alcohol.

and btw there has not been enough testing on driving whilst stoned to know either way, and considering all but one here say it affects their concentratio i think the safty opf other road users and pedestrians has to come first and driving whils under the influence of weed should be illeagle and continue to be illegle.

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"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

jex

This is the age old problem. If people could be responsible enough to treat drug use with respect then perhaps this wouldn't be a problem in the first place? But because some people have addictive personalities, probably brought about by some psychological problem they are having, you get OD's and deaths. So what position do you take? Legalise the drugs and risk epidemic OD's, abuse, or keep it illegal so you can claim the high ground?

The trouble here is that legal drugs are controlled in their production, unlike their illegal counterparts. But then their is the hypocrisy when you look at Alcohol and tobacco which far, far outweigh the damage drugs do on our society.

I wonder what would happen to our society if we took away all the alcohol and tobacco and drugs. Everyone would go crazy? Isn't the reason we get drunk is so we can let go our inhibitions and reach a part of ourselves supressed by modern society?

In conclusion I don't see how the Gov't can risk it. Until people can look after themselves it seems that those who can will suffer for those that can't. Legalising drugs will still see the accompanyment of addicts, and this will be the points raised to counter the argument for legalisation. Would the problem be worse? Who knows but it would stop the money going to organised crime and instead it would be taxed and made useful.

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And their won't be any testing because if they do they'll have to impose a legal limit and to do that would mean they'd have to legalise it.

But if my statement contradicts yours, how can that be all the proof you need for the rest of the country? If you're just talking about yourself then you are correct. I may have misinterprted what you where saying. My point was about everyone else.

As for safety of road users I've always had this problem with this sort of thing. Since everybody is different and have different reactions to problems, do you think tighter testing should be carried out for driving. As an example;

My friend was out driving one day. He pulled up to a roundabout and stopped. A motorbike was just crossing and as he did this woman pulled out in front of him. Instead of trying to avoid him or hit the brakes she covered her face with her hands. he hit the car and went over - luckily he was going slowly.

Old people have less reaction times than young. If reaction times are what you base the level of alcohol (or drugs), should old people still be driving?

Do you see where I'm going with this?

If the above 2 examples are correct then does that make a mockery of the whole process? Also we know that alcohol makes you loose your inhibitions, making you more confident, thus making you "drive better". So are accidents the result of ego? But on the otherhand cannabis doesn't give you that effect and is completely different from alcohol in all respects and would require it's own testing.

But since cannabis is already illegal, it wouldn't help the law if cannabis does make you a better driver.

In addition, if we are only letting better drivers on the road then they should include in the test a panic test and a reaction test. If you fail it you don't get your licence and you're tested every 10 years say.

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I found this which is interesting.

http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v04/n157/a07.html

Can someone read this link, my firewall is blocking access

www.ccguide.org.uk/driving.html

And this which seems to say that cannabis make you a worse driver (unless your on a motorway?) but doesn't seem to go into that much detail;

http://www.newscientist.com/hottopic...ana/dontbe.jsp

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DudeMan

i see where you are going, but then look at this,

everyone in the United Kingdom is driving with a license is trained to certain standards. if it is found that you are old and incompetant at driving you will have that license removed. if this woman did do this then she should be dealt with, but allowing anyone to do whatecer the hell they want because some people react differently is ludicrous.

i know from experience and my experisnce is being backed up by at least 2 other people in the forums, that weed affects your concentration. you do not see this as a threat to driving but that does not make you right. just because it doesnt affect you does not mean it wont or doesnt affect many people. so under your line of thinking, because it doesnt conclusivly (yet) show that it affects your driving then allow people to drive.

well great accewpt that is a sure way of getting little jhonny 2 yr old killed by some stoner who does not react the same way as you. is it not a far safer suggestion that until research is done into it that we just assume that it is harmful to driving considering that i amnot alone when i say it affected me. the logic is there, why allow the risk of it affecting the individual and the subsequent deaths of those he/she hits before we say ok dont do it.

alcohol affects people also in different ways and we still ban it while driving, being 6 foot 2 and over wieght i can drink a pint of lager and prbably drive with no effect, a 5 fooot 2 guy who is a skinny bitch will drink the same amount and be under the influence.

but we still ban the driving under the influence. its the same logic. just because it does not effectr everyone the same and some may be able to drive without a problem does not mean we can legalise it because others will have the experience i had and it will screw them up.

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"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

DudeMan

first off ok moot point the whole argument is stupid because under current law you cant driive under the influence of canabis because its illegle. so pls dont pull this statement again,

and the last point. yes jex its called the hazard perception test, go to your local store pick up the theory training cdrom and you will see it, its a test of how fast your reactions are and tests whether you would be able to deal with the hazzard in time.

you click the mouse button when you see a hazard or see one occuring.

they are trying to deal with this and its a learning process. but you cant blaim the driving standards agency for some bitch who paniced

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"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

jex

No I'm not saying that because it doesn't affect me that everyone should use me as a test case.

Your point about drink v size, in the army we had this guy who was probably about 6'4" and skinny who did not get affected by drink. In fact the CS gas chamber didn't affect him either. Some guy challenged him to a drinking comp the night before pass out parade and he went to hospital but this guy was sober, after a bottle of whiskey lol. This is a rare case though and generally larger people need more than smaller people.

But what about alcoholics? Are they the same as us normal drinkers? Perhaps you build up a tolerance to drink so what got us pissed before no longer does and we need more?

Going back to weed the 2 people here probably don't smoke it on a regular basis. I know people who smoke all the time and are perfectly able to carry on operating normally. The links I provided give some test cases which shows more testing should be done. But if the results go in favour of the drug that wouldn't bode well for the government that wants to keep it illegal?

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RYN

I can gurantee, before I joined the army I smoked more dope and sniffed more crap then many of you would believe. And driving while your stoned (weed) is stupid. Your slower and dumber. My previous post was based on experience muffin and nothing more. If you think you drive better when your stoned...then quite frankly your a dumbass. Lo be tide the hapless wretch that bangs into my car and I find out he or she is stoned...GAME ON.

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