sordavie

That too. How did three officers get hit?

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I would have thought three grown men would be able to handle one pitbull without using weapons.

Magnum50

Well the tazer that was used on good ol boy RK, was NOT todays tazer... those tazers of yesterday worked on pain compliance only, and as most know...when your high on PCP you don't feel much pain.

Todays tazer actually use less volts then the old ones but there made to effect the muscle system of the body, so I am willing to bet with the except of maybe 1 in 1000, that todays tazer, when properly deployed will work.


Now I understand your statement, and I do think pit bulls get a bad rep unfairly, but what would you have done? It's easy to say now how it would of been handled better, but you say that sitting at home on your computer, alot of dogs are trained to attack police from there criminal owners, and is it my responsibility to try and be as easy as possible while either I or my partner is getting his arm or leg ripped open. Hey, I and many officers have a wife and kids to go home to, sure I most likely won't die from the dog attack, but am I suppose to go home with a ripped arm, leg, and face explaining to my kids what happened, going to doctors for years on it, maybe some surgury... I hate to do it, (not the dogs fault, it's the owners... but I will shoot any aggressive dog.

BTW just so you know, police dogs are trained to bite and hold the arm or leg till the handler can take over the situation... criminals dogs are trained to attack and kill, bitting and releasing over and over... theres a big difference.

And one more thing... as I said before, I enjoy sharing and talking with you guys about LEO stuff, just to get your opinions and comments.. but really, if you think you can be a better cop, then go do it. Pays not to bad, great friends, alot of fun, pretty much your own boss to a point, plus look at it as a service to your community... even a weekend reserve cop... then come back and let me know how you handled some of these situations we've talked about.

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Few things will activate your fight or flight reactions like being attacked by a dangerous animal.

I'm a dog lover, had them all of my life, and not once have I been attacked by any dog - but you'd better believe that if I had a gun in my hand and a dog was attacking me that I'd have no hesitation to pull the trigger.

Question: Does pepper spray pretty much instantly stop an attacking dog? I'd think that with all of those sensitive nerve receptors in their noses, they'd chill out immidiately.

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Magnum50

Pepper spray works, but CS spray does not. FYI.

Now will it stop a trained dog? I don't know... we train are dogs to keep biting and holding thou the pain, (most people getting bit by a police dog will repeatedly punch him in the face, or kick him in the side... remember the purpose of the DOG is not to win the fight, just detain the subject till the handler can step in.) I imagine the bad guys will do the same.

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CingularDuality

This is the same logic that is used when complaining about a group of cops that shoot a crazy guy with a knife. It's unfortunate for the dog, but the cop needs to be able to go home to his family and go back to work the next day. Could a cop take a few gashes in order to resolve the situation without death? Maybe. Maybe not. But it's not his job to take that chance.

NO, pepper spray does not instantly stop any dog. I've seen dogs flinch, whine, and then just become more aggressive after being sprayed with OC.

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I worked for several years as a veterinary assistant and, due to the fact that most of the other assistants were small-ish women, I was the one always called in to deal with the more dangerous or difficult animals. Let me tell you, there's almost nothing harder to deal with or more scary than dealing with a wild animal. Animals can twist and contort in ways you never expect until you get hit, and they're far quicker than any human I've ever seen. I once had a rottweiler toss off two other people and carry me partyway around the treatment area before I was was able to tackle him down and immobilize him. Although I have battle scars, most of them are from being slammed into cages or fencing, but I have been bit once. Springer Spaniel bit almost completely through my right hand (I actually got to see inside my hand when the teeth pulled out), which I promptly solved by giving the dog my steel-toed boot square in the chest.

When it comes down to it, the best way to stop an attacking animal is to kill it outright. Second best is to break the animal so it can't continue the attack, and a distant third is to cause as much pain as possible and hope that the animal runs off instead of getting angrier. Take it from a guy who's broken up several dog-on-dog fights with his bare hands: stopping an attack in a "peaceful" manner is neither safe, nor smart.

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I went to an American Terrier show at a park and noticed a few pots of very hot water. I ask why and was told It's the only way to separate two dogs other than killing one.

TheFeniX

A couple of things:

Pitbulls (from what I've read) are the strongest dogs for their size. Their muscle density is enourmous. Although they don't get "huge," they have a lot of mass. Pound for pound, they are stronger than any other canine.

They are also extremely aggressive dogs due to their breeding. They were originally bred to take down bulls (hence, pit bulls). Lately, breeders have been selectively trying to bring out even more aggressive tendancies in them for fighting dogs (they are extremely lethal do to their physical qualities listed above).

My family has had a dog(s) since I've been alive. I love dogs and hope to always have one. I would never on my life own a pitbull. They're just damaged due to years of selective breeding. Kind of like Dalamations have so many health problems due to inbreeding (which sadly is starting to affect Golden Retrievers).

A high number of "unprovoked" animal attackers have been attributed to pit bulls. In fact, 90% I've seen involve them. They can be very loyal dogs, but then just "snap" one day. Do you want that kind of dog around your kids or even your wife?

Pit bulls do not have a bad rap: you just can't blame them for their genes. Dogs like Rotweillers have a "bad rap." They were bred as guard dogs (not to be confused with attack dogs) and they do that job very well. The same with German Shepherds and Dobermans.

My other point I wanted to make: It's cases like these that make me laugh when people claim only police officers are trained enough to carry firearms. Just being a cop doesn't make you a marksman. When that adrenaline gets flowing, bad things can happen to even the best of us.

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Oddly enough, Bulls were bred to stomp the everloving crap out of anything that crossed their path. For example, another 2500 lb. bull.

Obi

Here is a video of a pitbull attacking some people.

No blood, nothing is killed but the dog does get shot (although you don't really see it).

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2...-attack-p1.php

CingularDuality

It looks like those pitbulls just want to play with some scared kids and aren't responding to the owner.

Wouldn't this be a much better outcome for everyone involved:

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Indeed, that's generally not how pitbulls, or even dogs in general, attack. It's really obvious when pitbulls are in attack mode, and while that wasn't it, the dogs can still cause damage even when they're just playing. Better safe than sorry.

And yea Cing, that's a better outcome for all. I certainly wouldn't trust a taser to always deal with an animal, though. You can see how the dog was able to get up and get going even after being hit. Granted, this dog ran away, but some animals just get even more aggressive in response to pain.

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The last taser I bought had a "flee" system built into it. You could (I think by pulling the trigger twice) increase the length of the shock to 30 seconds, the idea being that if necessary you could set down the gun while it was doing its thing and flee the area.

I'm not saying I want cops fleeing, but I do think that function is a great addition to the Taser. 1, if necessary, cops could have used that extra time to get a restraint around that dog, or put a blanket on the thing and sat on it, or whatever. 2, if you buy a Taser for your self/wife/girlfriend/children, 30 seconds can buy you some serious lead time if you don't feel up to sticking around and trying to restrain someone yourself.

And for those of you that don't know: Taser batteries are good for an ungodly amount of uses...I think my last battery was good for 100. HOWEVER, if you send Taser the police report saying you had to use the Taser, they will send you a new replacement free of charge. That's great service, and something to consider if you would like to carry a less-than-lethal defensive option, or live in an area where unreasonably restrictive laws prevent you from carrying the firearm you would prefer.