Israel: "Act of War" - Page 5

**Trooper** · 07-19-2006, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by freebirdpat

Major areas of conflict that I see that might happen that would turn it into WWIII:

Israel vs. Arab Nations - They are essentially fighting terrorism here, and an ideology of those that want "Death to Israel" such as Hezbollah, and other Arab contingents that want Israel wiped off the map. US supports Israel, EU will probably be divided on the subject. Israel would probably want to avoid the big war on this, but they might be totally for it because after they win the war, they will have won their right to exist.

India vs Pakistan - Supposedly another terrorist scheme here, from what I heard the recent train bombing was using high tech explosive, and India is blaming Pakistani Intel, I don't know anything about this conflict, but the fighting would probably be very intense. US would probably support India here, or neither, I don't know what the EU would do.

North Korea vs South Korea - North Korea's leader is crazy, and I have no clue what exactly would happen here except that it would be stupid for North Korea to attack. US fully supports South Korea, EU is probably against North Korea

China vs Taiwan - China may decide to take back Taiwan if these other major conflicts actually break out into full grown war. Seeing as the majority of the world's military could be tied up in all the other conflicts, Taiwan would probably have only to be able to rely on Austrailia(if the Aussies decided to help them) for military backup. Right now, one of the few things I think holding China back from taking Taiwan or pushing the Taiwan issue is everyone keeps telling them "peaceful resolution", and the only peaceful resolution Taiwan wants is to be a soverign entity.

All these wars is also what it would take to stretch the United States military thin.

The biggest thing that WWIII might do, is abolish the UN or bring a revolution and rebuilding of the UN from the ground up, so that it is actually a useful entity. Right now the UN is merely a whining forum that never accomplishes any real goals that it sets out.

you left out nuclear Holocaust

tau_neutrino · 07-20-2006, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Trooper[SNPR]

China vs Taiwan - China may decide to take back Taiwan if these other major conflicts actually break out into full grown war. Seeing as the majority of the world's military could be tied up in all the other conflicts, Taiwan would probably have only to be able to rely on Austrailia(if the Aussies decided to help them) for military backup. Right now, one of the few things I think holding China back from taking Taiwan or pushing the Taiwan issue is everyone keeps telling them "peaceful resolution", and the only peaceful resolution Taiwan wants is to be a soverign entity.

China has too much to lose by using force against Taiwan. Their economies are quite intertwined now. China would want to take advantage of the war by staying neutral while building up their economy and modernizing their armed forces.

SmokingTarpan · 07-26-2006, 12:41 PM

Well, yay for Israel apparently blowing the crap out of a known UN outpost.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...ers/index.html

Switchcraft · 07-26-2006, 12:54 PM

And yay for CNN for dropping any signs of objectivity in this matter, as spokesmen in Israel are still saying they haven't confirmed it was them.

I would blast the UN for not being objective, but Kofi Annan has provided material support to hezbollah in the kidnapping and murder of Israeli soldiers before, so it doesn't suprise me that he's come to his conclusions already.

**CingularDuality** · 07-26-2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokingTarpan

Well, yay for Israel apparently blowing the crap out of a known UN outpost.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...ers/index.html

Yeah, that's not a good way to keep their international support...

**leejo** · 07-26-2006, 01:27 PM

Read up on UNIFIL Israel and Kidnapping

**leejo** · 07-26-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Switchcraft

And yay for CNN for dropping any signs of objectivity in this matter, as spokesmen in Israel are still saying they haven't confirmed it was them.

I would blast the UN for not being objective, but Kofi Annan has provided material support to hezbollah in the kidnapping and murder of Israeli soldiers before, so it doesn't suprise me that he's come to his conclusions already.

Exactly. I wasn't surprised, but was disappointed, to see that he is calling for Syria and Iran to be part of the solution to these problems. That may be a practical fact, but I don't think the Sec. Gen of the UN needs to be beefing up their role publicly at this moment. He's a disgrace.

tau_neutrino · 07-26-2006, 04:35 PM

My 2 cents:

If the middle eastern countries (minus israel) lay down their weapons, there will be peace. If Israel lays down its weapons, there will be genocide.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Israel obey the UN council's wishes in retreating from Lebanon in 2000? The UN also gave Lebanon the task of getting rid of Hizballah. Obviously we know what happened.

As for blowing up the UN outpost, **** happens in war. Civilians and bystanders will die due to the nature of war, and in particular, the urban nature of this conflict.

As much as I dislike the current US administration, I agree with their policy in seeking a lasting peace rather than a temporary cease-fire. Unfortunately due to the uneducated, fanatical barbarians (terrorists) in the area's populace, this will be difficult. All the UN with its present policy can do is delay inevitable conflicts between Israel and its agressors, and ultimately, it will accomplish nothing.

Flame away.

Disclaimer: I am neither a republican nor democrat, liberal nor conservative. Don't accuse me of belonging to any of these ideologies.

SmokingTarpan · 07-26-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tau_neutrino

As for blowing up the UN outpost, **** happens in war. Civilians and bystanders will die due to the nature of war, and in particular, the urban nature of this conflict.

True. However, when you get a call from a known allied position numerous times that says, "Hey, yo, stop bombing us," it doesn't look so good when you actually blow them up. That pretty quickly turns things from simply a mistake into actual negligence and disregard for non-hostiles. It's certainly not a way to bolster support for your cause.

Switchcraft · 07-26-2006, 05:53 PM

Given that hezbollah has used those "allied" (right) positions as cover for years because they know they face no retribution for using human shields, it's hard to believe nobody saw anything like this coming.

I agree wholeheartedly that if Israelis bombed that building after all those reported calls, something is wrong. But I also think we're not getting anything close to the whole picture of the incident, either. UNIFIL (And Annan) have an on-the-record willingness to lie to protect hezbollah members from harm I think I'd wait to see what else unfolds in this story before passing judgment.

**Trooper** · 07-27-2006, 03:13 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ory?id=2242357

This is not gonna go over well for the Muslim nations.

**USN_Squid** · 07-27-2006, 03:22 PM

The peacekeepers should have been pulled out of there. Either that, or they should have been doing some, uh, you know...peacekeeping.

Link

"What makes Annan’s allegation so unforgiveable is that his UN Interim Force in Lebanon has been warning for days about what almost certainly caused this tragedy. Hezbollah fighters, who have already been firing behind screens of women and children, have also been shooting from behind and next to the UN positions, presumably hoping Israel will not dare shoot back and risk exactly this kind of propaganda disaster.

Read the UNIFIL press releases for yourself to learn that Hezbollah has not just shot at and seriously wounded UNIFIL observers - without any protest from Kofi Annan or The Age. You’ll also learn that UNIFIL has repeatedly reported Israeli shelling and bombing near UNIFIL outposts because Hezbollah fighters were shooting from right beside them."

xTYBALTx · 07-27-2006, 03:25 PM

Is this the 23,900,500,033,303,033rd time that Al Qaida has declared war on Israel?

Faultline · 07-27-2006, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by xTYBALTx

Is this the 23,900,500,033,303,033rd time that Al Qaida has declared war on Israel?

Hah! I read the headline this afternoon and just shrugged.

**leejo** · 07-27-2006, 06:34 PM

I read that in this most recent declaration, Al Quaeda also declared quitsies, no anti-quitsies, no startsies, double stamped it, no erasies, and touch blue, make it true.

07-26-2006, 12:41 PM	#63 (permalink)
SmokingTarpan Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,471	Re: Israel: "Act of War" Well, yay for Israel apparently blowing the crap out of a known UN outpost. http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...ers/index.html __________________ [squadl] "I am the prettiest african-american, vietnamese..cong..person." -SugarNCamo

07-26-2006, 12:54 PM	#64 (permalink)
Switchcraft Join Date: May 2003 Location: New York, NY Age: 31 Posts: 1,096	Re: Israel: "Act of War" And yay for CNN for dropping any signs of objectivity in this matter, as spokesmen in Israel are still saying they haven't confirmed it was them. I would blast the UN for not being objective, but Kofi Annan has provided material support to hezbollah in the kidnapping and murder of Israeli soldiers before, so it doesn't suprise me that he's come to his conclusions already.

07-26-2006, 01:27 PM	#66 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,839	Re: Israel: "Act of War" Read up on UNIFIL Israel and Kidnapping

07-26-2006, 04:35 PM	#68 (permalink)
tau_neutrino Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Age: 26 Posts: 1,094	Re: Israel: "Act of War" My 2 cents: If the middle eastern countries (minus israel) lay down their weapons, there will be peace. If Israel lays down its weapons, there will be genocide. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Israel obey the UN council's wishes in retreating from Lebanon in 2000? The UN also gave Lebanon the task of getting rid of Hizballah. Obviously we know what happened. As for blowing up the UN outpost, **** happens in war. Civilians and bystanders will die due to the nature of war, and in particular, the urban nature of this conflict. As much as I dislike the current US administration, I agree with their policy in seeking a lasting peace rather than a temporary cease-fire. Unfortunately due to the uneducated, fanatical barbarians (terrorists) in the area's populace, this will be difficult. All the UN with its present policy can do is delay inevitable conflicts between Israel and its agressors, and ultimately, it will accomplish nothing. Flame away. Disclaimer: I am neither a republican nor democrat, liberal nor conservative. Don't accuse me of belonging to any of these ideologies. __________________ TacticalGamer TX LAN/BBQ Veteran:

07-26-2006, 05:53 PM	#70 (permalink)
Switchcraft Join Date: May 2003 Location: New York, NY Age: 31 Posts: 1,096	Re: Israel: "Act of War" Given that hezbollah has used those "allied" (right) positions as cover for years because they know they face no retribution for using human shields, it's hard to believe nobody saw anything like this coming. I agree wholeheartedly that if Israelis bombed that building after all those reported calls, something is wrong. But I also think we're not getting anything close to the whole picture of the incident, either. UNIFIL (And Annan) have an on-the-record willingness to lie to protect hezbollah members from harm I think I'd wait to see what else unfolds in this story before passing judgment.

07-27-2006, 03:13 PM	#71 (permalink)
Trooper Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my wifes house......if she says i can Age: 25 Posts: 8,894	Re: Israel: "Act of War" http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ory?id=2242357 This is not gonna go over well for the Muslim nations. __________________ that sounds like a good idea trooper. -Vulcan

07-27-2006, 03:22 PM	#72 (permalink)
USN_Squid Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Denver Age: 38 Posts: 3,173	Re: Israel: "Act of War" The peacekeepers should have been pulled out of there. Either that, or they should have been doing some, uh, you know...peacekeeping. Link "What makes Annan’s allegation so unforgiveable is that his UN Interim Force in Lebanon has been warning for days about what almost certainly caused this tragedy. Hezbollah fighters, who have already been firing behind screens of women and children, have also been shooting from behind and next to the UN positions, presumably hoping Israel will not dare shoot back and risk exactly this kind of propaganda disaster. Read the UNIFIL press releases for yourself to learn that Hezbollah has not just shot at and seriously wounded UNIFIL observers - without any protest from Kofi Annan or The Age. You’ll also learn that UNIFIL has repeatedly reported Israeli shelling and bombing near UNIFIL outposts because Hezbollah fighters were shooting from right beside them." __________________ New to TG? Start here!

07-27-2006, 03:25 PM	#73 (permalink)
xTYBALTx Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,919	Re: Israel: "Act of War" Is this the 23,900,500,033,303,033rd time that Al Qaida has declared war on Israel? __________________ A policy of freedom for the individual is the only truly progressive policy. -F.A. Hayek "$250,000 a year won't get me to Central Park West."

07-27-2006, 06:34 PM	#75 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,839	Re: Israel: "Act of War" I read that in this most recent declaration, Al Quaeda also declared quitsies, no anti-quitsies, no startsies, double stamped it, no erasies, and touch blue, make it true.

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