I Want Illegal Alien Status - Page 2

**sordavie** · 08-12-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeler

Law school? He's worried that illegal immigrants are getting preferential treatment getting into law school? A. Find me a college, any college, that when given the choice between a student who is a US citizen, and one who is a verifiable illegal (no green card, no visa, no student permit, etc.), they would intentionally set aside a slot for the illegal on that basis alone. B. Find me a LAW SCHOOL that would do that.

He is a bigot because he falsely feels persecuted by people who are different than him. And his comment on his daughter's application smacks of ignorance. The rest of that letter has some merit, but that one line is indicative of a much deeper and ugly complaint.

Peter Kirsanow on Illegal Immigration on National Review Online

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At some schools, preferred-minority applicants are up to 100 times more likely to be admitted than similarly situated non-preferred (i.e., Asian or white) comparatives. Affirmative-action programs at some schools are structured in a way that, beyond a minimum level of qualification, preferred-minority applicants are virtually guaranteed admission. Consider the advantage to the illegal immigrant residing in, say, Illinois, who is also a preferred minority: If he applies to an Illinois state school with a typical affirmative-action program, he's dozens of times more likely to be admitted over a more qualified Asian or white U.S. citizen and will pay tens of thousands less for tuition than a U.S. citizen from outside the state.

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The preferences don't end at the undergrad level. Illegal immigrants from preferred-minority groups are also preferred in law-school admissions. In fact, the American Bar Association recently sought to compel law schools to grant preferences to certain minorities; schools that failed to do so could lose their ABA accreditation. No law school is excused—even if it's located in a state that has outlawed preferences (e.g., post-Prop. 209 California). Interpretation 211-1 of ABA Standard 211 makes the following breathtaking admonition: "The requirements of a constitutional provision or statute that purports to prohibit consideration of gender, race, ethnicity, or national origin in admissions or employment decisions is not a justification for a school's non-compliance with Standard 211 (mandating diversity)". In other words, "diversity" trumps the law, so schools better engage in preferences, or else.

It's really part of being a preferred ethnic minority rather than being an illegal immigrant that gets you preferential treatment, but it seems the tuition thing is directly affected by residential status.

Steeler · 08-12-2006, 02:28 PM

That's a pretty weak attempt to tie the affirmative action debate to illegal immigration. All college applicatons, especially those that carry the possibilty of financial aid, explicitly ask for the applicant's citizenship.

It's a roundabout argument. Illegal immigrants could be taller than the average child, too. That would allow them to ride the mini coaster at the local fair earlier than the child of a bona-fide US citizen. We must end the amusement park industry's blatant pro-illegal alien height requirement.

Greflin · 08-12-2006, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeler

Law school? He's worried that illegal immigrants are getting preferential treatment getting into law school?

Not at all, just their children.

**CingularDuality** · 08-12-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeler

Law school? He's worried that illegal immigrants are getting preferential treatment getting into law school? A. Find me a college, any college, that when given the choice between a student who is a US citizen, and one who is a verifiable illegal (no green card, no visa, no student permit, etc.), they would intentionally set aside a slot for the illegal on that basis alone. B. Find me a LAW SCHOOL that would do that.

He is a bigot because he falsely feels persecuted by people who are different than him. And his comment on his daughter's application smacks of ignorance. The rest of that letter has some merit, but that one line is indicative of a much deeper and ugly complaint.

Sounds like you're the bigot. Taking such a stance against those of us that wish to enforce the law. For shame...

Here are some links to stories about illegal aliens getting preference over US Citizens:

Jim Kouri, CPP: College Students Sue California Over Preferences for Illegal Aliens

Austin Community College tells are returning Texas Veteran he is no longer a Texan.

Center for Immigration Studies

Immigration and Refugees - News - Times Topics - The New York Times - Narrowed by 'COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES'

FOXNews.com - Texas Marine Told He's No Resident, Must Pay Higher Tuition - U.S. & World

**CingularDuality** · 08-12-2006, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by xTYBALTx

To live in fear that he could be deported and seperated from wife and family?

I'm sure you meant "to live in fear of being held responsible for his criminal activities." Right?

And he wouldn't have to be seperated, either. They can go with him... At government expense, no less!

Steeler · 08-12-2006, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

Sounds like you're the bigot. Taking such a stance against those of us that wish to enforce the law. For shame...

That makes no sense.

**CingularDuality** · 08-12-2006, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeler

That makes no sense.

Perhaps because you don't know what a bigot actually is?

Steeler · 08-12-2006, 07:31 PM

I can't tell if you're joking or not, so ok, fine. Let's do the damn semantics thing again. There has to be one in every bloody Sandbox thread. The definition of a bigot is:

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big·ot n. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

Colloquially, a bigot is someone who displays a hatred of or prejudice against a group other than his own. My point in this thread was that the author of the letter, in the middle of an otherwise legitimate letter, dropped in a line that identified in himself a sense of indignation that I personally would associate with a bigot, i.e., his problem with the college admissions system favoring a minority he doesn't like. The statement is irrelevant to the rest of the letter and sticks out as a "tell" regarding his other opinions. Maybe I'm the only one who picked up on it, but it seemed glaring to me, as I hear these kind of complaints frequently.

At no point did I say anything about enforcing immigration laws or otherwise disparage any other person or group (including the vaunted white Repulican male that Kero seems to think I've insulted). My comments are limited to the author of this letter, and on the basis of his words.

You may disagree.

xTYBALTx · 08-12-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

I'm sure you meant "to live in fear of being held responsible for his criminal activities." Right?

And he wouldn't have to be seperated, either. They can go with him... At government expense, no less!

Point being that it's not something that you'd want to experience. Another reason not to "want" to be an illegal.

Greflin · 08-12-2006, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeler

My point in this thread was that the author of the letter, in the middle of an otherwise legitimate letter, dropped in a line that identified in himself a sense of indignation that I personally would associate with a bigot, i.e., his problem with the college admissions system favoring a minority he doesn't like.

Once again, how does wanting equal treatment for his child make him a bigot? What he wants for his kid, is what some illegal is getting for his. That's not wrong, and that does not make him a bigot.

E0_ · 08-12-2006, 11:59 PM

"big·ot n. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ. "

Let's see..."one's own group." Like people who abide by the laws of the country perhaps?

**CingularDuality** · 08-13-2006, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Steeler

I can't tell if you're joking or not, so ok, fine. Let's do the damn semantics thing again. There has to be one in every bloody Sandbox thread. The definition of a bigot is:

Colloquially, a bigot is someone who displays a hatred of or prejudice against a group other than his own. My point in this thread was that the author of the letter, in the middle of an otherwise legitimate letter, dropped in a line that identified in himself a sense of indignation that I personally would associate with a bigot, i.e., his problem with the college admissions system favoring a minority he doesn't like. The statement is irrelevant to the rest of the letter and sticks out as a "tell" regarding his other opinions. Maybe I'm the only one who picked up on it, but it seemed glaring to me, as I hear these kind of complaints frequently.

At no point did I say anything about enforcing immigration laws or otherwise disparage any other person or group (including the vaunted white Repulican male that Kero seems to think I've insulted). My comments are limited to the author of this letter, and on the basis of his words.

You may disagree.

You're the one that started with the semantics by trying to label this guy a bigot instead of what you really mean, which I suspect is that he is a racist. I'm pointing out that he's only as bigoted as you are, since he seems to be strongly partial to his politics and you're strongly partial to yours. You choose not to use the word racist because, unlike Tybalt, you realize that the illegal immigration problem has little to do with race and everything to do with enforcing our laws as a sovereign nation. This isn't about a "minority", this is about criminals that have snuck into our country and about the people (like you?) that don't have a problem with rewarding people for their crime.

Please, say what you mean. Don't dance around the discussion with words that only mean half of what you want to say.

**CingularDuality** · 08-13-2006, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by xTYBALTx

Point being that it's not something that you'd want to experience. Another reason not to "want" to be an illegal.

I wouldn't want to spend a year in prison, either, so that's one of the reasons why I don't want to break into other people's homes...

Steeler · 08-13-2006, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

Please, say what you mean. Don't dance around the discussion with words that only mean half of what you want to say.

You're using a hyper-literal culturally neutral definition of the word that I didn't think was up for debate. I meant what I said and I stand by it. Either I'm not getting my point across clearly or the other participants in this thread just aren't reading very carefully. In any case, I shall take this opportunity to bow out of the discussion. Good day.

xTYBALTx · 08-13-2006, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

I wouldn't want to spend a year in prison, either, so that's one of the reasons why I don't want to break into other people's homes...

Isn't this thread about a guy who wants to become an illegal? What's your point here? I am listing reasons why the author wouldn't want to become an illegal. I have no idea what your doing.

08-12-2006, 02:28 PM	#17 (permalink)
Steeler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Taxachusetts Age: 30 Posts: 2,952	Re: I Want Illegal Alien Status That's a pretty weak attempt to tie the affirmative action debate to illegal immigration. All college applicatons, especially those that carry the possibilty of financial aid, explicitly ask for the applicant's citizenship. It's a roundabout argument. Illegal immigrants could be taller than the average child, too. That would allow them to ride the mini coaster at the local fair earlier than the child of a bona-fide US citizen. We must end the amusement park industry's blatant pro-illegal alien height requirement. __________________

08-12-2006, 11:59 PM	#26 (permalink)
E0_ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Albuquerque, NM Age: 58 Posts: 423	Re: I Want Illegal Alien Status "big·ot n. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ. " Let's see..."one's own group." Like people who abide by the laws of the country perhaps? __________________ The time for calm and rational discussion has passed. Now is the time for senseless bickering.

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