Overlag

Israel in fact kidnapped some Palestine's hamas government officials, so Palestine, and then "hezbos" did the same thing kidnapped some Israeli soldiers.... resulting on Gaza getting flattened.. and Lebanon.... who have done NOTHING to Israel getting flattened.


WAY TO GO ISRAEL.... bomb one of the only stable democratic countries and distabilize it.

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Kerostasis

I cringed when I saw Chair's post, because I just knew you were going to take the opportunity to skip the issue of whether your own media is feeding you biased material, and just jump right into blasting Israeli policy with that same biased information.

It is telling that you refer to Lebanon as a "stable democratic country", when their own military has been too scared to go south of the Litani river for decades because everything below that was controlled by Hezbollah militants. Once Hezbollah is removed from Lebanon, then we can talk about stability.

Link: For the first time in 30 years, the Lebanese Army deployed south of the Litani River. -- Israeli newspaper "Haaretz".

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Buckets

I disagree. When a group like Hezbollah bombs someone's house, they are rightfully callled "terrorists" in the U.S. media. When the israelis drop bombs on civilians, they should also be referred to as such. Both sides have been equally in the wrong in that part of the world.

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Kerostasis

Let me try a brief translation of that. I doubt I'm even going to change your meaning, just illustrating your end conclusion a little more clearly.

In order for the media to be biased in not calling Israel "terrorist", there first has to be pretty good evidence that Israel is terrorist.

I guess you must have missed the part where various leaders including the President of Iran and the leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah have repeatedly claimed their ultimate goal is to "wipe Israel off the map" and or "drive Israel into the sea". I guess you must have missed the part where every nation surrounding Israel has repeatedly declared war on Israel, forcing it to fight for its very existence. I guess you missed the part where Israel has been dealing with regular and continued bombings targetting its civilians for decades, costing more than 800 innocent civilian lives just between 2000 and 2003 alone.

But other than that, you're right, there's no good reason for Israel to go to any great lengths to protect its citizens. They're really not much better than Hezbollah when you look at it that way, are they?

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IRS_Agent

Although I'd like to say that is not the case, MANY people I come across have this view which I think is a western version of those mid east cartoons. It's kind of sickening to see people who seem to have it hardwired into their brains that everything is black and white. Either Isreal is the bad guy or the good guy, and either Palestinians are the bad guys or the good guys, these people can't seem to comprehend that maybe all parties involved are at fault. IMO, Isreal is the western world's spoiled child, Europe and the US let Isreal get off the hook on stuff that we wouldn't normally stand by (the recent Lebanon conflict being a good example). I can watch the major media networks and generally keep an open mind, but I guess not everyone in the world wants to chew their information before they swollow, they'd rather be spoon fed, 'cause you know, ignorance is truly bliss. 3000 years of fighting and the world is still wrapped up in an region (Isreal) that's IMO just a piece of dried out land with a few religious sites in the middle (ok a lot of religious sites), but in the end it's still a dried out piece of land, and if you we're to freeze yourself for 3000 years, someone... somewhere... for whatever reason would still spill blood over that piece of dirt, it's kinda sad. If I could have my way, and I won't, Isreal (as in the piece of land on which it resides not the government) would be emptied of it's people, and have it's religious sites moved to other centers of each religion (a piece of land would magically appear for Isreal's share) and this now empty piece of land would just become empty space, ceasing to exsist. The people who once fought over it would not be able to fight over their so-called holy land because it's just a black spot on the surface of the Earth. I know that sounds messed up, but that's what it would take to stop the fighting there. (PS- I think the blame is spilit about 50/50 between the backers of Isreal/Isreal and the backers of Palestine/Palestine).

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Lucky Shot

I understand what you are saying, but I think to place the blame for the Lebanon conflict solely at the Israeli feet is done without understanding why the conflict began. It started when Hezbollah crossed into Israeli land attacking a patrol killing 8 and kidnapping 2. That's what kicked off the war.

I know that the history runs deep between Israel and their neighbors, but ultimately Israel responded to an invasion (very small) from their enemy. While some may not like how Israel responded (Proportional Response), their response was not enough to recover their lost soldiers or to settle "peace of mind" into their citizenship.

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CingularDuality

What do you think the United States would do if some of the Zetas came across the border, killed half a dozen Border Patrol Agents, kidnapped two Border Patrol Agents and took them back to Mexico AND Mexico would do NOTHING about it?

I've caught hell here for accusing Israel of terrorist actions. I don't care. Israel has done some dirty deeds that the USA did NOT need to be backing. But, overall, the US (world?) media definitely is biased against Israel. And Israel was justified in their actions this time.

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IRS_Agent

To the two previous posters I agree. I made a bad example, but that's generally how I feel about Isreal, I am not saying that I hate Isreal or Isrealis I just don't agree with their policy. I guess when i really look at it they're doing what it takes for a country such as theirs to survive in such a hostile environment, and I guess that means taking a very hardline towards terrorists both domestic and across their borders. I use to be more a supporter of Isreal, because I use to think they were a more positive force in the region, but now I see them as more ruthless. I just don't like the fact that the west's real representitive (because that's what I think Isreal involuntarily is) in this messed up part of the world seems to be more inclined to war than peace. I'd also like to say that I don't think Isreal is the equivilant of the terrorists they fight, I do think better of them in that sense, because they are not radical. Sometimes they go too far, and we could argue forever about what too far actually is.

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blackdeath9009101

OMG thats reallllllllyyyyy creepy