Evolution vs Creationism - Page 15

Fait_Maker · 07-29-2004, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfire

well, there's got to be "something" that created that bacteria before it can even set foot on earth. same thing with space...space doesn't start off as space, something's got to create THAT space.

If there's got to be something that created THAT space, there must be something that created the Creator of that space.

Fait_Maker · 07-29-2004, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by =DdogG=

I do not see how you can see a merciless God in the old testament if you look at the entire work. were there times of judgement? you bet. but look at the story of Jonah. Nineva was wicked and was to be destroyed. God wanted to give them another chance, as he did everyone. Jonah was mad cause God didnt destroy them.

A drug lord probably isn't all bad but that doesn't mean he's any less of a murderer. How many good things does one have to do to blot out the death of an entire race of people? He gives us free will and then kills us for not obeying him. <sigh>

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enough of the biblical debate though. no one seems to want to admit that science requires just as much faith as religion. I have no problem with your beliefs, why do you have a problem with mine?

If I turn on a light switch and then show you, using various tests, how that light came on, would you still call it a belief that the light came on or would it be fact? I have no problems with your beliefs. At all.

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a christian didnt start this thread. so who wont let who live in peace here? christain values are being attacked here. are we not allowed defend our beliefs?

2 Billion Christians aren't posting here either, so I guess my post wasn't talking about the thread. I will make sure, however, that the two well-dressed men who will knock on my door Saturday, with Bibles in their hand to witness to me... I'll make sure they come to our forum.

Fait_Maker · 07-29-2004, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by +Mot73+

We take many forms of ancient literature and don't questions its authenticity. As I have learned...note.."learned" the bible has more "copies closer to the orginal writings" than any other of our cultures respected pieces of literature. Therefore I can hold some credence that what is there today is at least as close to what was originally written than anythings else.

Maybe, but I don't live my life based on the Illiad either or carry it around with me to show people how they are immoral and need to get their life right with Persces.

Fait_Maker · 07-29-2004, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyzcrak

The reason you're concerned about seeming disrespectful is because your questions seem silly, when in fact the reasons your questions are silly is because that which motivated the questions is what truely lacks base.

That actually sounded profound!

Fait_Maker · 07-29-2004, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by =DdogG=

what? I have in no way in any post said that my way is fact and yours is bunk. I have offered what I felt to be valid points and they have been largely washed over and not considered. I have no need to make you believe in my God to make him any more real to me. You have no need to make me believe in yours either. While I personally dissagree with a lot of the content in this thread, I have no desire to shove my faith on the unwilling. I truly do not see where you get the idea that your above statement is my point of view. I simply want to hear a rebuttle on my points, and have yet to see one I find credible. I dont see how I am attacking your point of view. I truly am not trying to be inflamatory, I honestly want to see someone show me why science does not require the faith that religion does. where is the attack in this?

You show me your god and I'll show you osmosis working. The only faith YOU'll need is to believe your eyes and the microscope. If you want to call that faith, fine. It's still a much smaller leap than yours.

Fait_Maker · 07-29-2004, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by +Mot73+

I think you could have done this..but I'll do the work

anything else I can help with?

Someone asked me what it would take to prove God existed. I think it's just a statement sent your way. What do you consider tangable proof?

Fait_Maker · 07-29-2004, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokerface

Again, to drive it home: God became man, came to earth, and told everybody important stuff, and then DIED for man. We're talking the infinite becoming finite for the purposes of salvation. I'd try to dig for some original work, but in the absence of such, I'd probably take God's word any way I could get it.

I don't see how you can call it God's word and know it.. and also post how several people wrote it. Did God breath the words of the bible or was it written by man?

Fait_Maker · 07-29-2004, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Brooklyn

Well Dudeman here we are again WE MUST CONVIENCE DUDEMAN THAT GOD EXITS.....
NO we dont " The heavens and the mountains proclaim God's greatness" When you go out to the country or the beach or even look up into the heavens at night deep down you know , you feel theres a God . Goodnight an may God bless you ! ALL

No.. deep down I don't feel there's a god, but thanks for playing.

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P.S. The reason I quote the Bible is because its Gods word to man. "And his word shall not come back void" .

2000 years and nobody can PROVE that god exists, yet you can say the Bible is god's word with a straight face. You think it is.. deep down maybe.. but nobody can know.

Sadako · 07-29-2004, 08:03 PM

What if the Jews are right ...

Then we alll will burn in hell!!!

Ok I am tired, got a migrane and it is WAY past my bedtime. I will get my coat.

**DudeMan** · 07-29-2004, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by +Mot73+

Respectfully,
So are you saying you know with tangable proof how the existence of life began? or that science has tangable proof?

sorry..don't mean disrepect..just trying to understand.

ok first off in spite of what others credit you with, i thibk your queestions do hold water,

i think science holds the key, science has shown us bacteria that survives in space, it has shown us single celled organisms that have survived in space and the arctic, whether this theory of humans being a forieng bdody that came from a metior i dont know for sure no.

but recent findings has placed a star that went supernova, and exploded in direct coralations with the manhattan sized metior that hit this plannet. it is a thoery that because we know single celled organisms can survived the conditions of space travel for surprising amounts of time, that on the biggest metior to ever hit earth there were organisms foriegn to this plannet there.

i have actually read inot this more in a library book and a few magazines at the library, and this is a theory which could be complete crap, but it also makes sense to me. that something like this is possible.

however what i will say next is the complete apittamy of this argument, i believe this has more influence on me, because i can see proof of the plannet being hit, i can see proof of the super nova star and i can see proof tha singled celled organisms can survive the journey, does it make me right no, but i dont think having faith in science is the same as god.

because wrong or right science updates and feeds me the answers to my mistakes, and god does not.

so it really comes full circle,

which is a bummer but i dont think there is a solution we will find easily, well unless god puts in an almight appearence.

**DudeMan** · 07-29-2004, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by =DdogG=

what? I have in no way in any post said that my way is fact and yours is bunk. I have offered what I felt to be valid points and they have been largely washed over and not considered. I have no need to make you believe in my God to make him any more real to me. You have no need to make me believe in yours either. While I personally dissagree with a lot of the content in this thread, I have no desire to shove my faith on the unwilling. I truly do not see where you get the idea that your above statement is my point of view. I simply want to hear a rebuttle on my points, and have yet to see one I find credible. I dont see how I am attacking your point of view. I truly am not trying to be inflamatory, I honestly want to see someone show me why science does not require the faith that religion does. where is the attack in this?

whoa whoa whoa, i am not acusing you of trying to make me a believer, but people have offered reasons, i know i briefly did myself so when i see a comment like yours telling us noone answered it because we are all afraid to admit it, it jives me up the wrong way.

just because you dont accept the reasons others have posted does not mean that they are wrong.

i may be paranoid but it does not mean people are not talking about me....

**Wyzcrak** · 07-29-2004, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

i can see proof of the plannet being hit

Why do you trust that "proof"?

**DudeMan** · 07-29-2004, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Brooklyn

Well Dudeman here we are again WE MUST CONVIENCE DUDEMAN THAT GOD EXITS.....
NO we dont " The heavens and the mountains proclaim God's greatness" When you go out to the country or the beach or even look up into the heavens at night deep down you know , you feel theres a God . Goodnight an may God bless you ! ALL

P.S. The reason I quote the Bible is because its Gods word to man. "And his word shall not come back void" .

no brooklyn i do not see this deep deep down,

hate to disapoint you but not everyone feels the same way.

**DudeMan** · 07-29-2004, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokerface

OK then, I apologize.

Now, the above, you DID say.
Not every Christian follows everything in the new and nothing in the old, true. There's stuff in the Old that was never replaced, and still rings true today. Then again, there's a great deal that was revised. But pointing out the contradictions of the Bible as a reason that the religion itself (and possibly God itself) are flawed is no argument. It's like looking in a history book and saying "Look, in this chapter the people had slaves, but in this chapter everyone's saying slavery is bad! History sucks!"

In general, the person whose interpretation it originally was has their name printed in the top corners of the pages. Exceptions being the ones named for a group of people, in which case, Paul would be the author.

The reason the New Testament IMMEDIATELY supercedes the Old Testament is Jesus. I mean, you DO have to buy into Christian belief for the next sentence to be true, but it's a whopper. God became man, came to earth, and told everybody important stuff, and then DIED for man. That's a reason to start writing a new playbook if e'er I saw one.

Again, to drive it home: God became man, came to earth, and told everybody important stuff, and then DIED for man. We're talking the infinite becoming finite for the purposes of salvation. I'd try to dig for some original work, but in the absence of such, I'd probably take God's word any way I could get it.

whilst you make an interesting point, (for the most part anyway) your evidence as you submit it only requires one thing to make an impact, a beliefe in the fact jesus is the son of god. which in my mind, it the point fo the entire thread.

and i dont, i understand, no in fact i know what you are saying, and i know the story, i know why there are two testiments, but i question that jesus was evere the son of god because i dont believe in god. i dont think he is the son of god or god in human form.

do you see the dilema there now.

**DudeMan** · 07-29-2004, 10:51 PM

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Paganism is the oldest religion and it would argue that point.

this is true,

my father is a pagan or atleast he is interested in it and is finding out more all the time, there is alot in the pagan logic that is very very convincing and logical, but again i dont buy into it.

its funny you know, when you say pagen to a christian they think of evil people, but when you actually explre the relationship of pagens and christians you begin to see why, its another example of hatred because of religion, and lies being spread about anothers religion.

while this is all done by people and (if there were one) NOT GOD its another example of religion dividing people.

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