Evolution vs Creationism - Page 8

**DudeMan** · 07-28-2004, 04:19 PM

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Christians aren't Christians because they're afraid of Hell, and Mot73 didn't say that his belief relieves him of regret, merely that he does not regret the life he has lived believing in God.

oh im sorry pokerface i had no idea you knew about all christians, i never said all christians were, i pointed out that believing in god so if there was one you would have no regrets is not grounds for religion, it is fear.

at not one point did i say all chhristians belive in god cos they are scared, stop putting words into my mouth thanks

**DudeMan** · 07-28-2004, 04:22 PM

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Common misconception? Wha?
I'll grant this much: in the absence of a higher purpose, an atheist stands a better chance of being misguided, if only by virtue of the fact that they are UNguided.

again pokerface you have a double edged sword, because if there is a god, athiests are unguided, but if there isnt then christians are totally miguided, its not an argument and proves nothing.

you can only think an athies is unguided or misguided if you believe in god, but considering athiests dont believe in god its kind of a moot point.

and yes it is a misconception, just because you have not heard of it doesnt make it un true

**DudeMan** · 07-28-2004, 04:25 PM

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Do whatever you like. Believe in God, don't believe in God. Understand though that many people smarter than you or me believe, or don't believe. I don't think it's particularly clever to come down on either side.

so just cos some boff job believes or dont i am supposed to shut up, no you or mee are allowed to discuss it any way. after all i didnt think it was really required to be smart to have faith, that was not really a good thing to say in my opinion.

**DudeMan** · 07-28-2004, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokerface

The smiles of my daughters.
The colors of the sky at sunset.
That feeling I got the moment I first saw my wife.
Light reflecting off a gently rolling river.
The joy I have when I get a stupid piece of SQL to finally work like I want it to.

The list goes on, really.

what are you babbling about, all of those have scientific explanations too, emotions are tricky but the study of psychology does touch on deep emotuions, you have niether proved nor disproved ice's hypothesis

**DudeMan** · 07-28-2004, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Brooklyn

I have an answer for you !! Mot your on target brother ,,.. Answer in by weekend ok ! Ponder this ... Book of Job chp 38

The Lord answered Job out of the storm. He said:
"Who is it that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge ?

Brace yourself like a man ;I will question you, and you shall answer me.

"Where were you when I laid the Earth's foundation ?
Tell me if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it ?

On what were its footings set, or who laid its corner stone while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy ?...

P.S. Theres more to come I am glad to see God stir your heart to even ask such a question and if you are earnestly seeking God he will reveal himself to you.

sorry brooklyn, not that i understand what you are trying to get at much, but if you are talking about the world being created and so fourth, you have to be a christian in the first place to believe god did that.

and further more if you are going to which i think you are, "quote the bible at everyone" its not worth it, because you have to be a christian to believe the bible is true. i have a hard tiome grasping that some time after this geezer died a bunch of guys comprised a book that was abng on.,

thats like asking me to comprise and autobiography of maralyn monroe, i can get a wealth of information, but some if not alot os pure fiction and conspiracy.

**Pokerface** · 07-28-2004, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

ACTUALLY MOT I DO SEE YOUR POINT however, it only applies as posotive if you are christian. if you are muslim then what, hindu, then what,

Then you're not a Christian, and the negatives shouldn't bother you, right?

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many christians believe that jesus was the son of god why? because he said he was, and because alot of things happened that baffled people at the time. now i am not going to dog the christian religion, it doesnt serve a purpose, but by that same thinking A houdini would be the son of god if he wanted in the same time period.

David Blaine ain't risen on the third day yet. :P

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i cant place faith in this, and the posotive stimulus you speak of, how posotive was this in the crusades, how many religion based wars are waged. and is this gods will, to obliterate anyone who doesnt show their obidience.

No Vatican hitsquad is en route to your house right now. The priests at the parish down the street aren't putting on their black collars for their stealth insertion into the mosque across town ar 0230 hours. The crusades went AGAINST God's teachings (the whole "no killing" part took a hit, wouldn't you say?), and were politically motivated. Gathering up rabble to plunder your way across Asia Minor in the name of the Lord isn't one of the Ten Commandments, last I looked.

fr1j0l3 · 07-28-2004, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokerface

The priests at the parish down the street aren't putting on their black collars for their stealth insertion into the mosque across town ar 0230 hours.

Nah, you only have to worry about the OTHER "stealth insertions" by the priests.

Not painting ALL with one brush, let everyone beleive what the want to, just dont try to impose it on anyone else.

**DudeMan** · 07-28-2004, 04:47 PM

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David Blaine ain't risen on the third day yet. :P

whats your point you argue circular logic all the time you say nothing to disprove and expect others to ingest your suggestion.

no it is true that this has not happened but apart from the bible who said jesus did infact resurect, a small amount of his fanatical followers.

im sorry but fanatical followers may make things up, not saying they did i dont know, but david blain is an ilusionist who can float. i have seen it, i believed it when i first saw it for a short period of about 3 seconds through shock,

i am not saying jesus didnt resurect, i am sayng i dont believe it.

**Wyzcrak** · 07-28-2004, 04:53 PM

I perceive Dudeman's choice to so rarely use basic punctuation and capitalization in his written delineation of thoughts as encouragement for me to not read or care about those thoughts, and I frequently find myself giving his posts only a fraction of the time and attention that I give other posts more carefully authored.

Thank you to everyone who takes the time to use punctuation, apostrophes, capital letters, and all the other basic building blocks of written communication that I too often find lacking in Dudeman's otherwise worthwhile contributions to these forums.

**DudeMan** · 07-28-2004, 04:56 PM

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No Vatican hitsquad is en route to your house right now. The priests at the parish down the street aren't putting on their black collars for their stealth insertion into the mosque across town ar 0230 hours. The crusades went AGAINST God's teachings (the whole "no killing" part took a hit, wouldn't you say?), and were politically motivated. Gathering up rabble to plunder your way across Asia Minor in the name of the Lord isn't one of the Ten Commandments, last I looked.

oh and by the way, turn the other cheek, an eye for an eye,

there are many contradictions in the bible that say one thing then another, and like it or not, although it isnt as aparant these days the governemnt still looks for confirmation from the church to see if the war is backed by the church.

second of all ok so the pope says no, maybe you have only heard of catholisism but there are many other areas of the church. the church of england, the baptist, although their practises are very very similar they are not identical.

and many many wars ion the past have been sanctioned buy bishops and priests.

i cant remember who has already said this but religion does seperate and divide peoples, not unite them. it would be arrogant of me to expect the worrld to hold the same values as me.

**Pokerface** · 07-28-2004, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

oh im sorry pokerface i had no idea you knew about all christians,

Apology accepted.

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i never said all christians were, i pointed out that believing in god so if there was one you would have no regrets is not grounds for religion, it is fear.

at not one point did i say all chhristians belive in god cos they are scared, stop putting words into my mouth thanks

True enough, if you believe in God BECAUSE you don't want to burn in hell for being wrong, that'd be a motivation chock full of fear. You claimed that that was your "biggest beef with God", and the God depicted through Jesus (who put the Christ in Christian) wasn't spouting fire and brimstone; this guy came up with the Beatitudes!

"Blessed are you X", I'm sure someone will say, implies "Damned are you for -X", but the mere fact that isn't NOT presented like that is a major sticking point, and stands out as a difference between the Old (brimstone) Testament and the New (love) Testament.

**Pokerface** · 07-28-2004, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

again pokerface you have a double edged sword, because if there is a god, athiests are unguided, but if there isnt then christians are totally miguided, its not an argument and proves nothing.

No.
If there be no higher purpose to existence, then all paths are equal. Belief in a higher power is still a guiding factor, regardless of the existence of that higher power.

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you can only think an athies is unguided or misguided if you believe in god, but considering athiests dont believe in god its kind of a moot point.

Actually, I think anyone without something to believe in is unguided. I've been trying to be very specific with my wording here; "God" and "Christianity" don't enter into this. "Higher purpose" has been the phrase I've been trying to drive home most of the time. SOMETHING outside yourself, something viewed as a good for its own sake as opposed to a good because it helps good things happen to you.

I don't believe in God, per se. I believe in a higher order of spirituality (you can slap "Hi My Name Is God" on its lapel if you really want to).

**DudeMan** · 07-28-2004, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokerface

Apology accepted.

True enough, if you believe in God BECAUSE you don't want to burn in hell for being wrong, that'd be a motivation chock full of fear. You claimed that that was your "biggest beef with God", and the God depicted through Jesus (who put the Christ in Christian) wasn't spouting fire and brimstone; this guy came up with the Beatitudes!

"Blessed are you X", I'm sure someone will say, implies "Damned are you for -X", but the mere fact that isn't NOT presented like that is a major sticking point, and stands out as a difference between the Old (brimstone) Testament and the New (love) Testament.

it still is my biggest beef with god, reguardless of old and new testiment it says in the bible that if you dont bow down to gods will you will be judged and go to hell.

well why the hell should i bow down to something i dont believe in, stop putting words in my mouth angain.

**Pokerface** · 07-28-2004, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

what are you babbling about, all of those have scientific explanations too, emotions are tricky but the study of psychology does touch on deep emotuions, you have niether proved nor disproved ice's hypothesis

That "babbling" was in response to being asked why I believe in "God". (see my previous post for the reason "God" gets quotes this time around)

Science can go ahead and quantify emotion all it wants. The fact that we as humans can quantify something so ephemeral is just another reason to believe in a higher power for me. The rotation of an electron, the Krebs cycle for getting energy to body cells, the fact an ant can lift a Volkswagon over its head, science has plenty of tangible reasons in it too, as to why I think God exists.

Maybe it's the romantic in my, but inspiring my sense of awe and wonder gets my God-crank turning.

**DudeMan** · 07-28-2004, 05:13 PM

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That "babbling" was in response to being asked why I believe in "God".

first off ok, my apologies i didnt know you were answering through your own belief and though you were referring to another point.

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