DudeMan

well in the theory test that drivers must take in this country before they can get their license, it tells them if they see an acident they can stop if they can help. it also examins all the people on the most common injuries you will see.

so

and your comment cing, well actually considering there were two cars in the accident, and there was one police officer at the scene, kinda warrants someone pulling up behind the banged up cars and evaluating the situation does it not.

im sorry but driving off because this is an inconvinience is being a dip**** to the guy potentially dying in one of thiose cars.

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Wolfie

If you see the drivers standing around the accident scene, I think the situation doesn't need unprofessional help. Also, the accident was caused by people rubbernecking/not paying attention to the cop having someone pulled over the road. Stopping will just increase the risk of another accident happening or having the cop worrying about bystanders on a busy section of the road.

IceCold

It's not about being an inconvenience. It's because it is unsafe. The more people that stop, the more dangerous the situation becomes. If there are professional emergency workers on the scene, everyday idiots need to stay the heck out of their way and carefully continue away from the accident.

DudeMan

i dont accept it especially when you are taught how to handle an accident, and there could potentially have been more than 2 people hurt, and 1 cop.

so no i still do not accept it, i dont care, if your american law says that, well go ahead and say it, but if i am taught how to help in an accident and i see one i will.

i have been taught and i will help.

i amnot saying everyone stop and stare but if you are not needed move along,. the fact is nobody even looked they were too worried about going home work or wherever

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jex

If a cop is by himself and there are multiple casualties, how is he going to sort them out whilst making the road safe so more cars don't pile up? I did my first aid in the army, did it again for work, in this country a trained first aider is almost obligated to help out in emergencies. Only when there are sufficient personal from the emergency services should you not intervene.

In the past when we've had serious train accidents, the emergency services have praised joe public for lending a hand. People just don't stop - dude is correct here. They aren't willing to help out in the first place. Leaving the cop to do it isn't even on their minds. They don't even raise the concept of help in their own minds.

I was driving to work one day with a friend. The road ahead was blocked. AS we got closer we could see an accident. No one stopped at all. In fact they were such a bunch of *******s people we actually having to drive around the accident to get by - it was disgusting to see the lack of help being offered. There were at least 30 cars ahead of me, god knows how many had gone by before we got there. I stopped the car at the side of the road and me and my friend got out and helped.

Oh and incidentally when the police eventually arrived, no thanks was offered in the slightest.

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From the video, it's not clear what those drivers had to offer to the situation. We don't know if they've been trained to handle emergency situations. It seems that they weren't trained and therefore left the scene. I'm sure if they were trained for medical emergencies they would have stopped and offered assistance. We also don't know if the officer waved the other cars to leave to make room for his squad car to pull up behind the accident. There could be other unseen, unheard reasons that the drivers left.

In any emergency situation, it's probably best to assess the situation and determine whether it will help by stopping an offering assistance. I don't see any harm in stopping and offering help but in most cases it's probably best to keep traffic flowing so that emergency vehicles can navigate to the accident. Also, that's just the way it is over here. Drivers are taught to keep traffic flowing. Given that the accident in the video was on the left side, an emergency vehicle would have to navigate from the right to arrive at the accident. When the drivers left and the squad car pulled behind the accident, it probably helped prevent gridlock, which would make it very difficult for emergency vehicles to get to the accident.

Whatever the case may be, it was ok for the drivers to leave because the accident happened in the US and drivers are taught to keep driving pass an accident. Of course drivers will do whatever they want but will most likely stop if they are trained in emergency services. Why should a driver stop if he/she does not know how to give medical help or does not own a cellphone? These are things we can't determine from the video.

It seems different in the UK so DudeMan can say all he wants and teach us how it's done over there but can't change the fact that the accident in the video happened in the US.

DudeMan

first off thank you jex, after all the responses i got telling me to shut up and being disbelieved and quoted from by all i am right about stopping

secondly, i dont give a damn that the law startes that there is no obligation yadda yadda, that is purely to cover the officers back. they will not get sued.

and quite frankly sarc you dont live in kentucky so please leave the over here crap at home. your attitude rather stinks imo, i am not allowed an opinion because i dont live there. bull****, i can make a comment on the state of affairs anywhere, so leave that alone. ok.

i think it is a much greater statement on the morality of the people in the states to not stop, you do not need a medical training to put flares out, i have them in my car, even though they are not required. you can also from the video clearly put the hazard lights on and secure the chance of another person hitting.

dont try to silence me for being in another country or be quite yourself, because last time i checked canada is not part of the USA.

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=Sarc=

The attitude in Canada is quite similar to the US. Whenever I see an accident on the traffic news, the reporter often reminds people to keep the traffic flowing and not to stop and look. It's just the way things are done here and I'm trying to state that your anger (from my viewpoint it looks like anger) is from misunderstanding the culture here. I never said you can't state your opinion but calling those drivers irresponsible is ignorant due to not recognizing culture differences. Things are done differently from country to country and we all have to accept culture differences.

I've already suggested that it's better to use the squad car lights instead of a regular car's hazard lights since it's easier to see siren lights that are placed on the roof of the squad car. You say you have flares in your car but you don't know if those drivers had flares or any other emergency equipment in their cars. Others have stated that if the officer needed help he could flag down cars for assistance. I've always thought that the person in charge of a situation (the officer in this accident) has the right to give out orders like telling motorists to stay put and offer assistance.

You are right about stopping to give assistance in the UK, but it's not like that in North America. Here, stop and offer assistance if you have something to offer. Otherwise, move on and keep the traffic flowing. None of us know the abilities of the drivers that left so it's premature to think them irresponsible for leaving.

I'm just stating that we should all keep an open mind to differences in culture. You stated your opinion and what you would have done in that situation, which is fine, but calling the drivers irresponsible for leaving without recognizing that it's the expected response in the country of the accident is a little overboard.

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jex

I'd like to just clarify my point here. People should not stop to have a look, they should move on if there are people at the scene attending to the accident. However if you are first on the scene - i.e.you see it happen, you do not drive and weave around the cars and bodies and make your way on. I'm not talking about the video here, I'm talking about accidents in general.

In my experience people do not stop. These people are scum imo. If they haven't got what it takes to help out other people then what does that say about them? Just remember that when they have an accident and are bleeding to death, no one's gonna help them out either - and they deserve it too.

If the scene is being attended too then you make a judgement call. How many officers are there. Only 1 and 3 car pile up? Pull over to the side, ahead of the accident and get out and offer assistance. 2 ambulances and 2 police cars? Try and get by as safely and quickly as possible. It's pretty much a no brainer. 1 man cannot do much on his own. He has casualties, traffic, incomming emergency vehicles. By helping you could provide that extra minute that means the difference between someone living or dying.

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DudeMan

well no sarc i do not have to accept that culture, because guess what, you have not accepted my culture have you?

i will call them ignorant because that is what they are to me, if you want to preech culture then try some of your own medicine, reguardless, it is my observation and i am entitled to make it. and one police officer with the medical training they recieve is not qualified to attend multiple casualties, assistance there is required to give those in need the best chance of recovery.

and i dont know but medical training on shock bleeding, neck and back injuries and safty proceedures are part of the theory test which one has to sit before they can drive in the United Kingdom.

so my observation of the attitude of those i saw and now the wider social spectrum remains arrogant and bad.

in france you can be arrested for not helping, (not sure about the roads) under their good samaritain law.

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DudeMan

precisely,

from the clip 2 cars one officer, potentiall,y 10 casualties, yet not a single person even flinches but indicates and buggers off,

despite what others have posted here about my judgement and effectlivly changed it to siut their argument. i did make my point from the begining that if there are only a few cuts and scraps and more than enough people at the seen then just drive on.

but imo there wasnt, there wasnt even enough investigation of what happened before joe noclue indicated and went bye bye

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=Sarc=

How am I not accepting your culture? I have no problem with you stating your opinion on what you would do and that in the UK it is proper to stop and offer assistance. All I'm saying is it's not like that here and your comments of the drivers are pretentious since they are doing what is expected. Keep in mind that this discussion is based on accidents in the US, not the UK. Whatever you say about how it's done in the UK may not apply to what's seen in the videos. It's nice to know how it's done over there but all the reactions in the video are based on the type of training in the US.

From the video, I guess you didn't notice that the driver that got rear ended did get out of the car. Near the end of the video, you can see two people on the side of the road, one is the driver and the other is unknown possibly the passenger. Before the two cars switched lanes, the audio is garbled so it can't be determined if the officer did wave the cars to leave. On the other hand, the driver of the car behind the accident can see the driver exit the smashed vehicle and can determine that there's no reason to stay. The second car can see the car in front signalling to leave and can assume it's also ok to leave. On top of that, about 5 seconds after the first car leaves the officer comes by the side of the road to the squad car and pulls behind the accident after the second car leaves. So, you might want to re-examine the video to at least see that one of the drivers in the accident exits his vehicle. In total, there will be two who will be available to assist the officer.

All I am offering is a different perspective based on the expectations of drivers in North America. DudeMan, you are the one that will not accept anything other than your own opinion as stated in your second post. I am happy to see expectations of drivers in the UK but it has little relevance to what happened in the video.

IceCold

You're right on here. In some states over here it's a felony for "failure to stop and render aid" if you drive by an injury accident that hasn't been responded to by emergency workers.

Once the pros show up, it's time for Joe Schmoe to just stay out of the way though...

=DdogG=

here. you take a vision test, a written test, and a practical test. I personally had to make four right turns. point is, here, in America, the public at large is not trained to even apply a splint to a broken bone, much less help with an impalement, collapsed lung, crushed pelvis, broken neck, internal injuries, etc. I would personally be more scared to do more harm. If I were in the situation, I would move out of the way to let the police officer get his emergency vehicle into position, whick it looked to me like what was going on. the cop was blocked by the cars, and he probably told them to move so he could get out into the lane.
how do you know the police officer is incapable of helping less than you? here, drivers get no training, police get cpr and first aid, emergency medicine, a lot of them can do a tracheotomy if they have to, and I know my dad was taught about drug related medicine, head truama, profuse bleeding, back and neck injury, etc. he would be helpful, I would be in the way.
there is a lot of venom in your posts here. what made you be so spiteful? I dont see any personal attacks. simply put, it is not ignorant to admit you have nothing to benefit those in the accident except to remove yourself from the scene.

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jex

I've been helping my girlfriend with her test. Here we have a written, hazard and driving test. We were going through the test book and at the end was a whole section on first aid going over shock, ABC (airways, breathing, circulation), prioritising casualties, what you should do when you see an accident, etc.

But I think it boils down to whether or not people care enough to stop. Regardless of what is the norm (and the norm here, in the UK, seems to be to drive on by), are you the sort of person that is prepared to leave others to their own fate or are you the sort of person that stops to help those who need it.

Lemmings will follow the lead lemming over a cliff. Just because it's normal to blindly follow. Just because things are 'normal' does not mean that everyone has to do it. It was normal to bugger little boys in ancient greece. It was normal for lords to despise the populace (the peasants), who were looked on as things less important than cattle. It was normal to have slavery, child labour. Thankfully those times have changed. Now it should be normal for people to get some common decency and common sense.

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