fighter10101

What do think about the Iran-USA dispute over the nuclear issue`?
How should the US deal with this threat?

/discuss

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xTYBALTx

Fortunately, practical considerations should keep the US out of a shooting war. Short of a shooting war, I suspect that there is little that can possibly be done to keep Iran from acquiring these weapons, but the US should do everything reasonable to delay and attempt to keep Iran from going nuclear.

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whistler

That's just it, there's nothing we can do. Since a good chunk of the world despises us already I really think it wouldn't be a great plan to launch a war with them. Remember that we believed Iraq had WMD's and look how that is working itself out.

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icky

I thought is was "NUCULAR"?

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Switchcraft

Yep. We've found more than 700 of them so far.

thebleakaffinity

lol what

Please tell me you're not referring to the 500 degraded shells that had been buried since 1988.

Switchcraft

And another 200 found since then

TheFatKidDeath

I think Rick Santorum (R-PA) has already made this discredited claim.

http://www.drudge.com/news/82752/kay...orum-wmd-claim

"WASHINGTON - Hundreds of chemical weapons found in Iraq were produced before the 1991 Gulf War and probably are so old they couldn't be used as designed, intelligence officials said Thursday."

tau_neutrino

Hope that an earthquake swallows up all the leaders of iran and their nuclear research facilities and computer viruses wipe out all their data.

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Switchcraft

"He was in possession of a gun!"
"It's not a gun if it's old!"

The idea that the claim we found those things is discredited because they were old is lame. These were weapons that the regime claimed to have destroyed. They were not. But it's neither here nor there. We could have found a working nuclear bomb under Saddam's pillow and you people would have complained that it wasn't a "stockpile."

Discredit this claim:

Saddam and his military leadership believed they had chemical weapons they could use against the US military during the 2003 invasion.

We know this for a fact. And if Iraq believed it had these WMD's, complaining that we were wrong about them seems a little ridiculous.

thebleakaffinity

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xTYBALTx

Considering seven hundred degraded and unusable shells to be "Weapons of Mass Destruction" stretches the definition so far as to make every semi-modern military country on earth a WMD nation. An individual citizen could make a more lethal chemical device. An example.

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xTYBALTx

Saddam's generals believed Iraq was in possession of chemical weapons. Saddam himself knew this not to be the case. In the days before the war, he called his generals in and informed them of this fact. They were horrified, and knew immidiately that the war was lost before it had begun - they were counting on the use of these nonexistant weapons. This information is freely available in a past issue (May/June & online) of Foreign Affairs, titled "Saddam's Delusions." It has also been mentioned in past issues of The Economist.


"[Saddam] has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction." - Colin Powell speaking in Cairo, Egypt, February 24, 2001. Audio Link.

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Switchcraft

During the war I saw a lot of information that conflicts that version of events.

xTYBALTx

What you saw during the war is called misinformation or incorrect information. What I linked to is good information. Read it yourself. Sources don't get much more reliable than Foreign Affairs and The Economist.

Kevin Woods is a defense analyst in Washington, D.C. James Lacey is a military analyst for the U.S. Joint Forces Command. Williamson Murray is Class of 1957 Distinguished Visiting Professor of History at the U.S. Naval Academy. Along with Mark Stout and Michael Pease, they were the principal participants in the USJFCOM Iraqi Perspectives Project.

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