Republican Congressman accused of pederasty - Page 2

**Ferris Bueller** · 10-01-2006, 09:29 AM

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ped‧er‧as‧ty  /ˈpɛdəˌræsti, ˈpidə-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ped-uh-ras-tee, pee-duh-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
sexual relations between two males, esp. when one of them is a minor.
[Origin: 1605–15; < NL pederastia < Gk paiderastía love of boys. See pederast, -y3]

—Related forms
ped‧er‧as‧tic, adjective
ped‧er‧as‧ti‧cal‧ly, adverb
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According to just about every law i could find, federal and state (including florida, seeing as how its appropriate for the case), a "minor" is defined as someone below the age of 18. The kid was 16. A minor. The guy solicited and possibly had sex with him. Thus, pederast is the correct term.

Rick_the_new_guy · 10-01-2006, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by leejo

I just read a funny comment on another site: Foley hits career-alt-delete

lol!!

I need to remember that one.

....poor bastard.

**leejo** · 10-01-2006, 09:55 AM

He hoed his own row.

**Rincewind** · 10-01-2006, 01:36 PM

Booo *hisss*, on this thread.

carRamrod · 10-04-2006, 01:21 PM

Anyone following the less important but still very relevant angle to this?

the Republican Speaker of the House (Hastert)
the Republican Majority Leader (Boehner)
the Republican Head of the National Republican Campaign Committee (Reynolds)
the Republican in Charge of the Congressional Page Program (Shimkus)

ALL knew about Foley's behavior for 5 months and DID NOTHING ABOUT IT.

The underlying issue here is not about politics. It is about protecting children from a pedophile. How on God's green earth do you allow this to continue for months after you are informed of it.

For crying out loud, the head of the NRCC, Reynolds, held a press conference and used children as human shields to deflect tough questions on the matter.

Quote:

Reporter: Congressman, do you mind asking the children to leave the room so we can have a frank discussion of this, because it's an adult topic. It just doesn't seem appropriate to me.

Reynolds: I'll take your questions, but I'm not going to ask any of my supporters to leave.

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Reporter: Who are the children, Congressman? Who are these children?

Reynolds: Pardon me?

Reporter: Who are these children?

Reynolds: Well, a number of them are from the community. There are several of the "thirtysomething" set that are here and uh I've known them and I've known their children as they were born.

Reporter: Do you think it's appropriate for them to be listening to the subject matter though?

Reynolds: Sir, I'll be happy to answer your questions, I'm still, uh…

Video here:

Haven't we had enough of these folks:

(Pictured at link: Brownie, Bushie, and Pederast)

Beatnik · 10-04-2006, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leejo

Search google for "define: pederast" or watch the big lebowski.

8 year olds, Dude.

**leejo** · 10-04-2006, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carRamrod

Anyone following the less important but still very relevant angle to this?

the Republican Speaker of the House (Hastert)
the Republican Majority Leader (Boehner)
the Republican Head of the National Republican Campaign Committee (Reynolds)
the Republican in Charge of the Congressional Page Program (Shimkus)

ALL knew about Foley's behavior for 5 months and DID NOTHING ABOUT IT.

The underlying issue here is not about politics. It is about protecting children from a pedophile. How on God's green earth do you allow this to continue for months after you are informed of it.

For crying out loud, the head of the NRCC, Reynolds, held a press conference and used children as human shields to deflect tough questions on the matter.

Video here:

Haven't we had enough of these folks:

(Pictured at link: Brownie, Bushie, and Pederast)

Well I encouraged folks to tread lightly on the subject, but subtlety doesn't appear to be your strong suit, so yes, let's have this discussion.

Sen. Daniel Inouye. The 82-year-old Hawaii Democrat was accused in the 1990s by numerous women of sexual harassment. Democrats cast doubt on the allegations and the Senate Ethics Committee dropped its investigation.

Former Rep. Gus Savage. The Illinois Democrat was accused of fondling a Peace Corps volunteer in 1989 while on a trip to Africa. The House Ethics Committee decided against disciplinary action in 1990.

Rep. Barney Frank. The outspoken Massachusetts Democrat hired a male prostitute who ran a prostitution service from Frank’s residence in the 1980s. Only two Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to censure him in 1990.

Former Sen. Brock Adams. The late Washington Democrat was forced to stop campaigning after numerous accusations of drugging, assault and rape, the first surfacing in 1988.

Former Rep. Fred Richmond. This New York Democrat was arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election—before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.

Former Rep. John Young. The late Texas Democrat increased the salary of a staffer after she gave in to his sexual advances. The congressman won re-election in 1976 but lost two years later.

Former Rep. Wayne Hays. The late Ohio Democrat hired an unqualified secretary reportedly for sexual acts. Although he resigned from Congress, the Democratic House leadership stalled in removing him from the Administration Committee in 1976.

Former Rep. Gerry Studds. He was censured for sexual relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms.

Former Rep. Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.

Sen. Teddy Kennedy. The liberal Massachusetts senator testified in defense of nephew accused of rape, invoking his family history to win over the jury in 1991.

So by all means let's have a campaign that discusses in detail which party has a better track record of protecting children and cleaning its own house. Clinton may well insert himself into yet another election.

Hell we could even talk about John Murtha and ABSCAM.

My guess is that this sort of mudslinging would serve to suppress voter turnout in general, which traditionally favors the republicans.

carRamrod · 10-04-2006, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leejo

Well I encouraged folks to tread lightly on the subject, but subtlety doesn't appear to be your strong suit, so yes, let's have this discussion.

Sen. Daniel Inouye. The 82-year-old Hawaii Democrat was accused in the 1990s by numerous women of sexual harassment. Democrats cast doubt on the allegations and the Senate Ethics Committee dropped its investigation.

Former Rep. Gus Savage. The Illinois Democrat was accused of fondling a Peace Corps volunteer in 1989 while on a trip to Africa. The House Ethics Committee decided against disciplinary action in 1990.

Rep. Barney Frank. The outspoken Massachusetts Democrat hired a male prostitute who ran a prostitution service from Frank’s residence in the 1980s. Only two Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to censure him in 1990.

Former Sen. Brock Adams. The late Washington Democrat was forced to stop campaigning after numerous accusations of drugging, assault and rape, the first surfacing in 1988.

Former Rep. Fred Richmond. This New York Democrat was arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election—before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.

Former Rep. John Young. The late Texas Democrat increased the salary of a staffer after she gave in to his sexual advances. The congressman won re-election in 1976 but lost two years later.

Former Rep. Wayne Hays. The late Ohio Democrat hired an unqualified secretary reportedly for sexual acts. Although he resigned from Congress, the Democratic House leadership stalled in removing him from the Administration Committee in 1976.

Former Rep. Gerry Studds. He was censured for sexual relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms.

Former Rep. Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.

Sen. Teddy Kennedy. The liberal Massachusetts senator testified in defense of nephew accused of rape, invoking his family history to win over the jury in 1991.

So by all means let's have a campaign that discusses in detail which party has a better track record of protecting children and cleaning its own house. Clinton may well insert himself into yet another election.

Hell we could even talk about John Murtha and ABSCAM.

Excuse me. The issue at hand is that our leaders in Congress knowingly covered up for a pedophyle. Try to defend that - I double dog dare you.

You can mention the 1926 Democrat who molested his collie for all I care. It has no bearing on this issue.

Steeler · 10-04-2006, 03:11 PM

So Republicans shouldn't pay a price for their sins because 15, 20, and 30 years ago you think the Democrats didn't? How's that for moral relativism?

**leejo** · 10-04-2006, 03:21 PM

The ASSUMPTION you have made is that leaders in Congress knowingly covered up for a pedophile. It's a fact that the instant the world knew about the extent of his asshattery, he was run out of town by his own party. I suspect that this president will not pardon Foley if he is convicted, unlike Clinton's padron of a Democratic Rep convicted of raping a 16-year old boy (AND bank fraud).

I will never attempt to excuse Foley's behavior. And I tell you what, if evidence that there was a coverup becomes substantial, I will support running a few more jerks out of town. It's sad but true that the Democrats have a very poor track record with this sort of thing, though. Several people who should have resigned long ago are setting policy for you now.

**Trooper** · 10-04-2006, 03:27 PM

What he is pointing out is that its not just the republicans that have done this. ramrod seems to think the democrates are squeky clean, as he normally is bias to one side of most political discussions and doesnt open his mind to othe possiblities

**dfg872** · 10-04-2006, 03:32 PM

Well, democrats have always been known for sexual misdeeds, and for the most part it doesn't hurt them too much.

Where this hurts republicans is on the far right, those voters are notorious for just staying home if they think a republican candidate isn't a family conservitive. Hell, the washington times called for Hasstert's resignation, and that's the conservitive washington paper, sooo... make what you will of it. Will it hurt the GOP this november? Maybe, politics is fickle, much like people, but this one is snowballing, not because of the conduct, but because of the handling of it by key staffers. Another top GOP guy resigned today, and that's probably not the last of it, since ABC claims to have even more info.

This is quite the october surprise, and I'm pretty confident that certain key democrat political minds had a hand in how this was released. We're still waiting on carl rove's october surprise, and I'm sure it will come in the form of some sort of terror warning in the next few weeks. Perhaps they'll even raise the alert level like they did in 02.

Either way, it distracts the GOP and throws their campaigns off-message. It's harder for a congressional incumbent to tout family value and all that jazz when he's being hounded with questions about a collegue who betrayed those values. It might be enough to tip the scales in some close races. And even if it isn't, this is a good ole washington scandal that will eat up the washington news cycle for at least the next few weeks.

**dfg872** · 10-04-2006, 03:37 PM

one last thing, to the point that democrats have done this, yes, they have, and they paid politically in those years. Right now, the republicans are in the thick of it, and it's timed to do the most damage in an election year. They shouldv'e practicd full disclosure when it happened last year, and then they wouldv'e not had issues with the election. If they hadv'e said what they knew when they knew it they couldv'e controlled the news cycles, instead, they were blindsided.

Clinton was a master at full disclosure politics. He killed stories by simply talking about most things before the press got a hold of it. Bush and the modern republicans have forgotten these lessons and are convinced that staff loyalty would prevent damaging leaks. They're learning the hard way, that situations change, and so do people's loyalties. Leaks are now commonplace in the GOP, but the leadership hasn't adapted.

**leejo** · 10-04-2006, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dfg872

Clinton was a master at full disclosure politics. He killed stories by simply talking about most things before the press got a hold of it.

With the notable exception of the story that got him impeached, you're pretty spot on. Clinton was the master.

If any congressman behaves badly, I'd like to see them leave. If leaders of any party attempt to cover up illegal behavior, I want them investigated and if possible indicted.

I'm not at all surprised at the attempts to make Foley's actions a more global indictment of the republican leadership, but I think it's unwise. As they saying goes, "politics ain't beanbags". If you want to bring it, expect a counterpunch, and it might sting.

carRamrod · 10-04-2006, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leejo

It's a fact that the instant the world knew about the extent of his asshattery, he was run out of town by his own party.

Uh... How do you explain this? (I'm sure you can link it to Clinton somehow)

Quote:

The resignation rocked the Capitol, and especially Foley's GOP colleagues, as lawmakers were rushing to adjourn for at least six weeks. House Majority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) told The Washington Post last night that he had learned this spring of some "contact" between Foley and a 16-year-old page. Boehner said he told House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.), and that Hastert assured him "we're taking care of it."

link

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In another stunning development, Robert Novak today reveals in his column - published in PostOpinion on Page 31 - that even after House GOP leaders knew that Foley had written an inappropriate e-mail to a 16-year-old former male page, they were still urging him to seek re-election.

Novak writes, "A member of the House leadership told me that Foley, under continuous political pressure because of his sexual orientation, was considering not seeking a seventh term this year but that Rep. Tom Reynolds, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC), talked him into running."

link

Run out of town instantly?

10-01-2006, 09:29 AM	#16 (permalink)
Ferris Bueller Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 26 Posts: 4,826	Re: Republican Congressman accused of pederasty Code: Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1) - Cite This Source ped‧er‧as‧ty /ˈpɛdəˌræsti, ˈpidə-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ped-uh-ras-tee, pee-duh-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun sexual relations between two males, esp. when one of them is a minor. [Origin: 1605–15; < NL pederastia < Gk paiderastía love of boys. See pederast, -y3] —Related forms ped‧er‧as‧tic, adjective ped‧er‧as‧ti‧cal‧ly, adverb Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1) Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006. According to just about every law i could find, federal and state (including florida, seeing as how its appropriate for the case), a "minor" is defined as someone below the age of 18. The kid was 16. A minor. The guy solicited and possibly had sex with him. Thus, pederast is the correct term. __________________ \|TG-6th\|Ferris Bueller Important TG Reading \| Support TG - Become a Supporting Member \| TacticalWiki - Your TG Guide Kicked/Banned? READ THIS FIRST! \| Complete list of TG Admins \| Think Someone Did A Good Job? Nominate Them For a Ribbon! Report Problem Players/Appeal Your Ban \| Learn TG - The TG Mentoring Program __________________ "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity." -Lazarus Long

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leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,524	Re: Republican Congressman accused of pederasty He hoed his own row.

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Rincewind Join Date: May 2005 Location: Casting useless spells in Oklahoma. Age: 27 Posts: 2,738	Re: Republican Congressman accused of pederasty Booo hisss, on this thread. __________________ ~~ Veritas simplex oratio est ~~ No matter how far a wizard goes, he will always come back for his hat. --T. Pratchett <---- You know you're getting old when you rely on your forum meta-data to remind you how old you are. Required Reading for all TG sandboxers

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Steeler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Taxachusetts Age: 30 Posts: 2,921	Re: Republican Congressman accused of pederasty So Republicans shouldn't pay a price for their sins because 15, 20, and 30 years ago you think the Democrats didn't? How's that for moral relativism? __________________

10-04-2006, 03:21 PM	#25 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,524	Re: Republican Congressman accused of pederasty The ASSUMPTION you have made is that leaders in Congress knowingly covered up for a pedophile. It's a fact that the instant the world knew about the extent of his asshattery, he was run out of town by his own party. I suspect that this president will not pardon Foley if he is convicted, unlike Clinton's padron of a Democratic Rep convicted of raping a 16-year old boy (AND bank fraud). I will never attempt to excuse Foley's behavior. And I tell you what, if evidence that there was a coverup becomes substantial, I will support running a few more jerks out of town. It's sad but true that the Democrats have a very poor track record with this sort of thing, though. Several people who should have resigned long ago are setting policy for you now.

10-04-2006, 03:27 PM	#26 (permalink)
Trooper Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my wifes house......if she says i can Age: 25 Posts: 8,552	Re: Republican Congressman accused of pederasty What he is pointing out is that its not just the republicans that have done this. ramrod seems to think the democrates are squeky clean, as he normally is bias to one side of most political discussions and doesnt open his mind to othe possiblities __________________ that sounds like a good idea trooper. -Vulcan

10-04-2006, 03:32 PM	#27 (permalink)
dfg872 Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 27 Posts: 119	Re: Republican Congressman accused of pederasty Well, democrats have always been known for sexual misdeeds, and for the most part it doesn't hurt them too much. Where this hurts republicans is on the far right, those voters are notorious for just staying home if they think a republican candidate isn't a family conservitive. Hell, the washington times called for Hasstert's resignation, and that's the conservitive washington paper, sooo... make what you will of it. Will it hurt the GOP this november? Maybe, politics is fickle, much like people, but this one is snowballing, not because of the conduct, but because of the handling of it by key staffers. Another top GOP guy resigned today, and that's probably not the last of it, since ABC claims to have even more info. This is quite the october surprise, and I'm pretty confident that certain key democrat political minds had a hand in how this was released. We're still waiting on carl rove's october surprise, and I'm sure it will come in the form of some sort of terror warning in the next few weeks. Perhaps they'll even raise the alert level like they did in 02. Either way, it distracts the GOP and throws their campaigns off-message. It's harder for a congressional incumbent to tout family value and all that jazz when he's being hounded with questions about a collegue who betrayed those values. It might be enough to tip the scales in some close races. And even if it isn't, this is a good ole washington scandal that will eat up the washington news cycle for at least the next few weeks. __________________ \|TG-Irr\| Dfg872

10-04-2006, 03:37 PM	#28 (permalink)
dfg872 Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 27 Posts: 119	Re: Republican Congressman accused of pederasty one last thing, to the point that democrats have done this, yes, they have, and they paid politically in those years. Right now, the republicans are in the thick of it, and it's timed to do the most damage in an election year. They shouldv'e practicd full disclosure when it happened last year, and then they wouldv'e not had issues with the election. If they hadv'e said what they knew when they knew it they couldv'e controlled the news cycles, instead, they were blindsided. Clinton was a master at full disclosure politics. He killed stories by simply talking about most things before the press got a hold of it. Bush and the modern republicans have forgotten these lessons and are convinced that staff loyalty would prevent damaging leaks. They're learning the hard way, that situations change, and so do people's loyalties. Leaks are now commonplace in the GOP, but the leadership hasn't adapted. __________________ \|TG-Irr\| Dfg872

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