Liberals try out a new campaign tactic: Google Bombing - Page 2

**CingularDuality** · 10-28-2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by El_Gringo_Grande

It would require more than a handful of people to make this effective, right?

This an individual decision to do this. So there are more individuals linking failure to bush than their are linking failure to democrats.

This seems to me to be a democratic process where the people make a differance.

No, this is an organized effort by a number of webmasters with idealogical axes to grind.

boudreux · 10-28-2006, 04:45 PM

The "failure" google bomb will be funny if democrats win the next election. The link is to the biography of whoever is in office. Takes quite a bit of work to take that ranking down.

**El_Gringo_Grande** · 10-28-2006, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

No, this is an organized effort by a number of webmasters with idealogical axes to grind.

Yes, a number. What is that number. A couple thousand? And those web sites the webmasters are administrating have to be linked to by others for this to be effective.

If this is because the conservative websites are linking to them to show how ignorant the liberals are, well then this is quite ironic.

*edited for clarity. I hope.

**El_Gringo_Grande** · 10-28-2006, 05:12 PM

And I wanted to add something else. These are liberals organizing!

Those people never seem to be able to organize effectively. They are, by their very nature, individualistic.

That they are able to coordinate at this time I think says something.

**CingularDuality** · 10-28-2006, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by El_Gringo_Grande

And I wanted to add something else. These are liberals organizing!

Those people never seem to be able to organize effectively. They are, by their very nature, individualistic.

That they are able to coordinate at this time I think says something.

Well, we saw that with the rise of Howard Dean. Internet users seem to trend a little towards the liberal side, so as candidates and parties become more efficient users of the intarweb, I think we're going to see some interesting stuff...

**El_Gringo_Grande** · 10-28-2006, 05:45 PM

Loosy coupled networks do produce some strange results. Just look at the brain.

**Apophis** · 10-28-2006, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by El_Gringo_Grande

Yes, a number. What is that number. A couple thousand? And those web sites the webmasters are administrating have to be linked to by others for this to be effective.

If this is because the conservative websites are linking to them to show how ignorant the liberals are, well then this is quite ironic.

*edited for clarity. I hope.

This can be done by a single webmaster with a ton of pages indexed in Google.

I'm not going to get into all the technical details, but if I utilized the index resources of TG, I could get over 200,000 links placed on sites all over the net with whatever keyword I want all pointed at whatever page I wanted. Granted, I use those resources to get appropriate keywords locked in pointing back to TG to help the community, but if I had the desire I could use that power for political manipulation of Google.

**El_Gringo_Grande** · 10-28-2006, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Apophis

This can be done by a single webmaster with a ton of pages indexed in Google.

I'm not going to get into all the technical details, but if I utilized the index resources of TG, I could get over 200,000 links placed on sites all over the net with whatever keyword I want all pointed at whatever page I wanted. Granted, I use those resources to get appropriate keywords locked in pointing back to TG to help the community, but if I had the desire I could use that power for political manipulation of Google.

But that isn't what the artical described. It talked about individuals all deciding to reference the same artical when discussing a particular name.

**Apophis** · 10-28-2006, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by El_Gringo_Grande

But that isn't what the artical described. It talked about individuals all deciding to reference the same artical when discussing a particular name.

You asked about a number of webmasters needed to do this. I responded and told you that one webmaster can actually do it.

Not all Google bombs require manual linking by thousands of webmasters. In fact, if you do some Google digging, you can see that the technique I outlined **IS** being used. The article may not get into this level of technical detail, but when you do the research it is apparent how they are accomlishing these goals.

**El_Gringo_Grande** · 10-28-2006, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Apophis

You asked about a number of webmasters needed to do this. I responded and told you that one webmaster can actually do it.

Not all Google bombs require manual linking by thousands of webmasters. In fact, if you do some Google digging, you can see that the technique I outlined **IS** being used. The article may not get into this level of technical detail, but when you do the research it is apparent how they are accomlishing these goals.

Ok, I understand.

It is being used by all sides and even those without a side. This kind of stuff has been attempted since search engines became popular. I remember looking at the source for old pages back in the early 90's that had certain words repeted over and over again so as to be higher in web crawlers.

With that in mind, do you really think this, even if successful, would have any real impact? Most people seek out inforamation which will bolster their already formed opinion.

**CingularDuality** · 10-29-2006, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by El_Gringo_Grande

With that in mind, do you really think this, even if successful, would have any real impact? Most people seek out inforamation which will bolster their already formed opinion.

No, and Google doesn't either, that's one of the reasons I think they're not doing anything about it. It's not much more than a distraction at this point.

**Apophis** · 10-29-2006, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by El_Gringo_Grande

Ok, I understand.

It is being used by all sides and even those without a side. This kind of stuff has been attempted since search engines became popular. I remember looking at the source for old pages back in the early 90's that had certain words repeted over and over again so as to be higher in web crawlers.

With that in mind, do you really think this, even if successful, would have any real impact? Most people seek out inforamation which will bolster their already formed opinion.

Keyword stuffing hasn't worked with Google in a LONG time. But that aside.

I don't think this sort of manipulation will work. I do think people will seek real information. But it doesn't matter to me if it works or not, the practice of trying to manipulate something like a search engine for your own political ends disgusts me.

**Chewy** · 10-29-2006, 11:06 AM

The Dems wouldn't have to use tactics like that if they in fact had something to sell to the American people. But as usual all they can do is point fingers and rip on everyone else, instead of actually getting out there to speak on their agenda. Take a break from attacking the Reps and show us what you have.

(And because they don't have much to share... they figure attacking the Reps will win the election)

That hasn't worked so well for them, especially recently.

I see more red than blue.

10-28-2006, 04:45 PM	#17 (permalink)
boudreux Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bloomington, IL Age: 26 Posts: 1,146	Re: Liberals try out a new campaign tactic: Google Bombing The "failure" google bomb will be funny if democrats win the next election. The link is to the biography of whoever is in office. Takes quite a bit of work to take that ranking down.

10-28-2006, 05:12 PM	#19 (permalink)
El_Gringo_Grande Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: OKIE HOMY Age: 39 Posts: 2,327	Re: Liberals try out a new campaign tactic: Google Bombing And I wanted to add something else. These are liberals organizing! Those people never seem to be able to organize effectively. They are, by their very nature, individualistic. That they are able to coordinate at this time I think says something. __________________ Sen. John McCain (AZ) For President '08 --- I’m not racists, I have republican friends. Radio show host. - "The essence of tyranny is the denial of complexity". -Jacob Burkhardt - "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" - Emerson - "People should not be afraid of it's government, government should be afraid of it's People." - Line from V for Vendetta - If software were as unreliable as economic theory, there wouldn't be a plane made of anything other than paper that could get off the ground. Jim Fawcette

10-28-2006, 05:45 PM	#21 (permalink)
El_Gringo_Grande Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: OKIE HOMY Age: 39 Posts: 2,327	Re: Liberals try out a new campaign tactic: Google Bombing Loosy coupled networks do produce some strange results. Just look at the brain. __________________ Sen. John McCain (AZ) For President '08 --- I’m not racists, I have republican friends. Radio show host. - "The essence of tyranny is the denial of complexity". -Jacob Burkhardt - "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" - Emerson - "People should not be afraid of it's government, government should be afraid of it's People." - Line from V for Vendetta - If software were as unreliable as economic theory, there wouldn't be a plane made of anything other than paper that could get off the ground. Jim Fawcette

10-29-2006, 11:06 AM	#28 (permalink)
Chewy Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Oak Creek, WI Age: 24 Posts: 1,565	Re: Liberals try out a new campaign tactic: Google Bombing The Dems wouldn't have to use tactics like that if they in fact had something to sell to the American people. But as usual all they can do is point fingers and rip on everyone else, instead of actually getting out there to speak on their agenda. Take a break from attacking the Reps and show us what you have. (And because they don't have much to share... they figure attacking the Reps will win the election) That hasn't worked so well for them, especially recently. I see more red than blue. __________________ PM Chewy (Team Fortress 2 Admin) Chewy's Steam Profile

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