Dirt013

The ACLU is a sham.

I remember reading this after the John Rocker "incident":

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/pr...TICLE_ID=14191

Fortunately, we have them to tell us exactly which Rights are worth defending.

Hypocrisy disgusts me.

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USN_Squid

The way I read the story the interviews were never conducted. Not sure though.

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TheFeniX

The ACLU is definately liberal, but this writer gives away his far-right leanings with this statement:

"because abortion and gangsta rap music are far more serious threats to our nation's soul than a loud-mouthed jock or a symbol of the losing side of our Civil War"

Here, he loses a large chunk of credibility by doing exactly what he says the ACLU is doing: Claiming one expression is right, and one isn't.

"Unfortunately, the ACLU stands foursquare for the killing of unborn babies and the right of "musicians" to advocate violence against women and law enforcement officers" Pfft, ok this guy lost all his credibility in two sentences. Good call!

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USN_Squid

Worldnetdaily.com is a bastion of conservative columns and news pieces. John Dogget wrote that piece as an opinion piece not news.

edit:
From his Bio:
John Doggett is a business school professor, management consultant and lawyer who lives in Austin, Texas. In 1998, Talkers Magazine selected John as one of the 100 Most Influential Radio Talk Show Hosts in America . In 1997, Headway Magazine selected John as one of the 20 Most Influential Black Conservatives in America.

edit 2:
This was always my favorite ACLU quote:
I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.
~ACLU founder Roger Baldwin

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TheFeniX

Yes, I know that. But if I'm trying to get the moderates on my side by showing how left the ACLU is, I don't hammer away and push the neo-conservative viewpoint as an answer to that.

He wants only to replace one extreme with another.

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CingularDuality

I still don't see what the big deal is...

If I'm conducting an investigation, I can, and sometimes will, walk up to anyone, ANYONE, that I want to, and start asking them questions. I can walk up to them at home, at work, on the street, on a bus, in a restaurant... I'm sure I'd get in trouble if I was unreasonable, but my point is that there's no Constitutional protection from having someone ask you questions. You don't have to answer the questions.

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TacticalGamer TX LAN/BBQ Veteran:

jex

The point is they didn't just go up to anyone, they targetted specific people on no credible evidence. Targetting people who have protested before and are now on a "list".

I thought government interference was what the founding fathers were against were they not?

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><JohnGalt><

Give me a break.....I hope the FBI and CIA are doing all they can in order to protect me...if that mean flushing a holy book or making sure some crazy liberal doesn't disrupt a convention so be it......The HEAD OF THE ACLU IS A PROFESSED COMMUNIST. Now there is a philosophy that goes against everything American.

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CingularDuality

OK, I'm still not seeing it...

Please explain to me how walking up to someone and asking them some questions is government interference? No interviews were conducted! (?) The anarchists simply refused to talk! You and I are free to walk up to anyone on the street, or even up to their front door, ring the doorbell and when the person answers, say, "Do you have any plans to participate in a protest during the convention next month?" Nobody can stop you or I from asking someone a question.

By the same token, nobody can make that person answer our questions, either.

No, nobody's rights were violated here.

If you think they were, then I have no idea how you think any investigations are conducted. Without talking to people, police wouldn't be able to do half of the work that they do...

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rs_al

Wow, welcome to the 21st century. The commies are gone, the government's got a new ad campaign for selling wars, so we don't have to pretend like a particular form of economics is magically evil anymore, nor do we need to pretend like the US isn't more communist than capitalist these days. Equality, comradeship, and concern for your fellow man are about as American as you can get - and all basic precepts of communism which aren't found in real capitalism.

><JohnGalt><

Right....just keep telling yourself that as the ACLU tries to make laws through the judicial system.....and communism is take what you need produce what you can, sound very liberal minus the produce what you can part. To be honest, America is on the decline because of leftist P.C., anti wealth, pro fringe group, and activist judges that eat up what the ACLU is selling. If you really think the ACLU is anything other than anti american and pro socialism just look at the causes they champion. Also, communism isnt dead, it is alive and well in the democratic party.

Equality, doesnt exist; i maybe smarter then some and dumber than others. This idea that everyone is equal is such a lie. Everyone is equal in the eyes of the law, not in ones ability. Comradship, define that one for me please.

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TheFeniX

And the far-right is all for removing a woman's right to her own body, cramming Jesus down everyone's throat, and giving the enviroment to the highest bidder.

Two sides to the same coin.

And communism is the idea around disolution of private property. It's primarily an economic goal, not a politcal one.

No where do liberals want to take all your stuff. What they do realize is that the larger a country gets, the more people have to work to support society as a whole (well-fare, social security, etc). That's not coummuism, because by helping less fortunate people you can turn them into productive ones thus helping your capitalist empire.

PS: yes these programs need reform, but the arguement is that they are neccessary not their abuse.

You mean "they're anti-american because they don't push what I define as American."Oh please, do some research and provide some evidence before spewing right-wing propaganda.

The only reason communism doesn't work is because people will always want more than everyone else. No one strives for being an average faceless grunt. They strive to be more wealthy or more powerful.

And America isn't a democracy no matter how you try and swing it. We're just about the closest thing out there though.

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><JohnGalt><

You know what fenix after reading this post, the one on the matrix and various others, I have come to realize that arguing with you is futile...you hold yourself in such high regards that debating with you will only raise my Blood Pressure. Therefore, when it comes to your pontificating I will respectfully hold my tongue.

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CingularDuality

I don't think it's futile. Try tackling his arguments point by point and use facts instead of emotional arguments.

I happen to have mixed feelings on the ACLU. I love the concept of an organization the looks out for the little guy, but you're right, their leadership has them championing liberal causes almost exclusively.

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_Ender_

You havent met "wolfie" have you?


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