The New Global Warming Thread

[marstein]

OK so I've been thinking about this thing I read a few weeks ago, and the 90-degree turn this thread has made from talking about the science of global warming to several of you bashing capitalism, the industrial world, the USA, whatever, and I think you're really telling on yourselves. NASA revises the numbers down? No problem. Still global warming. The majority of scientists say it's man-made turns out to be less than half, with only one predicting a dire future? Doesn't matter. Global warming.

So you are picking a couple of arguments out of the large pile that this thread is and pronounce global warming wrong, a fad, a conspiracy - whatever.

So what would you do - if you were emperor of the world? Would you do something against the possibility of climate change? Would you wait for more science? Would you ignore the warnings?

[marstein]

Polar bear penis bones are shrinking

in Eastern Greenland, according to Christian Sonne of the University of Aarhus in Denmark and colleagues. They found that polar bears living in the Eastern Greenland are somewhat less well endowed than their cousins in Svalbard and the Canadian Arctic. They say this could be due to the high prevalence of pollutants such as PCBs and DDT in Eastern Greenland - pollutants which records show are less prevalent in Svalbard and the Canadian Arctic.

Just search the news for climate change. The liberal press is all over it. Only Fox news keeps up the fight for truth on 50th place.

[Greasy Mullet]

I think people who cling to the lies of man made global warming are like the Aztecs who used to sacrifice humans to appease the sun gods or the Salem witch trials where a boogy man was invented and innocent people paid with their lives. The hysteria behind the cult of global warming is so similar to those cults of past time that it is scary. Instead of saying lets toss people in the volcano to apease the 'gods', they say lets starve the people of earth , send the entire worlds economy to heck, and set civilization back to 100's of years all in the name to appease the global warming "gods" while handing over full control of our lives to government which is the real reason the cultist push the lie of man made global warming so that we can have a communist world and GW is their tool to get there.

[CingularDuality]

All of my recent comments concerning prosperity, scarcity and the costs of both only pertain to the issue when viewed on a macroeconomic scale - the human race as a single entity, a single system over history.

I'd still like you to explain the logic behind the concept of one's prosperity causing another's poverty. On whatever scale you want...

[marstein]

I'd still like you to explain the logic behind the concept of one's prosperity causing another's poverty. On whatever scale you want...

What about the UK back in the Victorian age. The people started drinking lots of tea, which was imported from China. That cost a lot of foreign money which the English acquired by selling opium to the Chinese. When the Chinese government and their people revolted against that the English brought in the military and forced the Chinese to buy their Opium. It did not only cause them poverty.
In the discussion about global warming this is secondary. The Chinese are now definitively on the 'rich' side of the conflict. In the worst case a good piece of their industrialized areas will be submerged and a large part of the country will turn into a desert.

[CingularDuality]

What about the UK back in the Victorian age. The people started drinking lots of tea, which was imported from China. That cost a lot of foreign money which the English acquired by selling opium to the Chinese. When the Chinese government and their people revolted against that the English brought in the military and forced the Chinese to buy their Opium. It did not only cause them poverty.

Sure, we can come up with individual examples. If I steal your car, I become richer and you become poorer.

I'm talking about in general, on a macroeconomic scale. One person's prosperity is NOT necessarily tied to another's poverty. That's an emotional, illogical line of thinking...

[Kerostasis]

When the Chinese government and their people revolted against that the English brought in the military and forced the Chinese to buy their Opium. It did not only cause them poverty.

Uh...Not quite. The British didn't force anyone to buy Opium. What they did was to prevent the Chinese Government from banning Opium importation. The citizens were buying it freely, because they really liked being high.

But really, what Cing says is the correct answer. It is completely possible to become rich at someone else's expense, by robbing them. However, that does not establish that it is impossible to become rich without robbing someone else. Trade, in general, can be mutually beneficial to all parties involved.

[marstein]

I think people who cling to the lies of man made global warming are like the Aztecs who used to sacrifice humans to appease the sun gods...

If climate change was truly happening it would mean big problems for industry and people. In that case who would be most concerned would be insurances, because they'd have to pay for the cleanup. Insurances are actually insured again - by a so called re-insurance. The biggest one is Munich Re - my sister works there BTW. They do believe in CC. They have a bunch of statisticians and scientists working for them to assess risk. Check out the link for their articles about thr risk of catastrophies and global risk in all kinds of areas. That is their business. Insurance rates are set by those people.

The latest results of research provide further proof that the world's climate is changing. This is of profound importance for both insureds and insurers in terms of both claims distribution and risk management.

Of course CC theories are not 100% true - there is a wide range of possibilities and risk. But claiming the CC people are witch hunters (i.e. 0% risk) is sticking your head in the sand.

[Nikolas]

The Victorian Age was colonialism and mercantalism. Not capitalism.

[GlobalWarmin]

I think people who cling to the lies of man made global warming are like the Aztecs who used to sacrifice humans to appease the sun gods or the Salem witch trials where a boogy man was invented and innocent people paid with their lives. The hysteria behind the cult of global warming is so similar to those cults of past time that it is scary. Instead of saying lets toss people in the volcano to apease the 'gods', they say lets starve the people of earth , send the entire worlds economy to heck, and set civilization back to 100's of years all in the name to appease the global warming "gods" while handing over full control of our lives to government which is the real reason the cultist push the lie of man made global warming so that we can have a communist world and GW is their tool to get there.

Wow. I'm unable to tell if this is supposed to be a joke or not. This point of view is either false to point out the irony, so it's funny, or this person is serious, and therefore painfully sad and under informed.

[Greasy Mullet]

Wow. I'm unable to tell if this is supposed to be a joke or not. This point of view is either false to point out the irony, so it's funny, or this person is serious, and therefore painfully sad and under informed.

Dead serious. Obviously its not a joke. If anything is a joke, it is the global warming cultists.

[leejo]

Wow. I'm unable to tell if this is supposed to be a joke or not. This point of view is either false to point out the irony, so it's funny, or this person is serious, and therefore painfully sad and under informed.

Because people who disagree with you are liars, ignorant or both?

[Lucky Shot]

Polar bear penis bones are shrinking

in Eastern Greenland, according to Christian Sonne of the University of Aarhus in Denmark and colleagues. They found that polar bears living in the Eastern Greenland are somewhat less well endowed than their cousins in Svalbard and the Canadian Arctic. They say this could be due to the high prevalence of pollutants such as PCBs and DDT in Eastern Greenland - pollutants which records show are less prevalent in Svalbard and the Canadian Arctic.

Just search the news for climate change. The liberal press is all over it. Only Fox news keeps up the fight for truth on 50th place.

Not sure, but that could be evidence that it's getting colder out.

Lucky Shot

[leejo]

Polar bears can't jump either.

[CingularDuality]

Polar bears can't jump either.

BS. I've seen one jump.

STOP THE STEREOTYPING!