Obi

From what I gather only our Pilots and SpecOps have interrogation training. Maybe these sailors have been told the will be killed if they do not make these confessions. The Iranians can be very selective in what the captives hear about the situation and it's highly probable that the sailors don't have a clear picture of what is going on.

Atomic Dog

The thing is, these guys are smiling and looking generally unshaken while "confessing" before the Iranian public. It just seems a bit off. They showed one soldier in front of the map giving the details of where they were when they were detained and how they got there and he doesn't even slip on a word. In most hostage videos where hostages are being cued or forced a particular dialogue they never sound as natural as these guys do.

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Kerostasis

Now I can't remember where I heard this, so it may just be speculation and hearsay, but I was under the impression the soldiers had been instructed not to even bother trying to resist, to just skip the whole torture part of the equation and go straight to the propaganda part, under the assumption that no one will really believe them anyway. I mean, there's some types of information that are worth taking risks to protect from your captors, like perhaps the operations orders of the units operating near yours, or maybe codebooks and what not. But there's other things that really aren't that important in the grand scheme of thigns, like making a propaganda statement on which part of the water you were floating in, and in that case why bother fighting it?

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jepzilla

Operation Eagle Claw.

Carter did launch a rescue attempt, it just failed, largely because the US military lacked the equipment to conduct such an operation; helicopters didn't have the range and transport planes didn't have the landing facilities. Hence the creation of the V-22 Osprey (tactical-air lift with STOL/VTOL capability).

xTYBALTx

That sounds totally reasonable, Kero. And in the interrogation training that people go through, it's pretty typical for people to "break" during water boarding. So if you're breaking while surrounded by mock interrogators, whom you know are just faking it, imagine being waterboarded in actual enemy territory. There'd be little point to resisting. And if you tried, your resistance time would probably be measured in minutes.

Keep in mind that, like Kero, I'm referring to doing propoganda pieces. When the interrogator seeks actionable information, people usually just provide false information that they hope will check out.

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Diceman

Looks like the sailors are being released.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/04/04/iran-iraq.html

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PanzerHans

New interesting information is coming out in the Independent:.
article

According to The Independent the Iranian operation was an answer to a failed US attempt to abduct two senior Iranian security liasons(Mohammed Jafari and Minojahar Frouzanda) in the Kurdish town of Erbil/Arbil.
The raid failed in getting the prime targets, instead American troops got hold of five lower ranked junior officials. Theese officials are still in captivity.
Allegedly this raid was very violent with a lot of collateral damage.

Adding my own speculations I would assume there is a rather high probability that theese five officials will soon be released.

So this leads to the conclusion that the Brits likely were outside Iranian territory.

Edit:
Mohammed Jafari is junior chief of the national Iranian securitycouncil
Minojahar Frouzanda is the leader of the intelligence branch of the Iranian revolutionary army.

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Obi

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...=null&offset=0

Good news.

I'm glad this was sorted out diplomatically.

Trooper

today on the radio they played a clip of rosie O'fatty, and she blamed the USA for those troops being captured. She states that the ship the Brits where checking was a US boat that was used as bait to get them into Iranian waters, they we called the iranians to let them know of this.

I found that mildly anti-american

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johnflenaly

I can understand the anti-amercanism but come on thats just stupid. Do these people think befor they open there mouths.

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Kerostasis

There's "these people", and then there's "Rosie". She's in a class all her own.

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Trooper

wieght class or mental class?


She was also one of the ones that said 9/11 was done by a US jet filled with explosives because it was impossible for just jet fuel to melt steel

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Kerostasis

Special-ed class. [/rimshot]

Really, its best just not to worry much about what she says.

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War.mongeR1

Exactry. It annoys me when she runs her mouth, but then I think to myself, "hey, her opinion really doesn't matter much." So who cares. I don't think too many people put too much weight on her opinions anyhow. Especially since she doesn't let any of the other women on The View talk for more than 2 seconds anyway...especially the token conservative one.

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BigGaayAl

Yeah I reckoned they were to release em. Good game of chess by Ahmedinejad; he just made it real hard for Cheney to come over and shoot him in the face .

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