TheFatKidDeath

We are truly in bizzaro world when Guliani is being embraced by many Republicans. It's caught me by surprise that a man whose support for homosexual rights, abortion and cross dressing would actually be considered as a nominee.

I did not realize the average Republican voter was so progressive.

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War.mongeR1

I'm not a huge fan of him either and won't vote for him the primaries, but many Republicans support him due to his views on a strong national defense. The very same reason tons of Republicans support Senator Joe Lieberman. It's because things such as homosexual rights don't mean anything if we're all dead due to terrorists setting off nukes in major cities or something of the like. Defending our country is the number one issue with a lot of Americans, both Democrat and Republican. But that being said, he might as well be a Democrat.

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El_Gringo_Grande

You have to realize that "classic" republicans cared little for the social agenda of neo-conservatives. Barry Goldwater is a good example. He was really more of a libertarian.

Other republicans like George Will care little for the social agendas. The battle cry for the classic conservative is "frugal government spending and strong defense". They are mean and callous and are proud of that fact. I don't even hear any old time conservatives yelling about the immigration issue. To them it is simply cheap labor that they can kick out if times get tough.

Personally I like the old fashion conservative. And I miss them. They where a great balance to the classic democrat. Their meanness was needed at times. They made sure the bleeding hearts didn't go overboard. But they and the bleeding hearts would compromise. Nobody was ever completely happy, and that is very good.

Of course I am old and kinda nostalgic and probably a bit senile.

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TheFatKidDeath

I'd agree with you that the current occupations of the White House are not your fathers country club Republicans. People keep using the term "conservative" to describe them. They are about as far away from traditional conservatism as one can get.

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Steeler

And yet they were sold to the conservative base by the conservative establishment as such. Someone once wrote, referring to the conservative movement habit of disowning political failures that arise from their ranks, that conservatism "can never fail, it can only be failed." Bush has pushed through a lot of policies that conservatives cheered at the time, only to see them mismanaged, poorly executed, or just plain unpopular on their faces. Military buildup and offensive posturing, dissolution of treaties, deregulation of industry, marginalization of civil rights and environmental issues, defunding of critical government infrastructure, testing-based educational reform, and a lot of lip service to "values" and "moral fiber." It is only on a few key issues, notably immigration and deficit spending, that Bush has diverged from the conservative norm.

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ScratchMonkey

It's interesting to contrast this thread to the one about Ron Paul. Perhaps, as we get closer to the election, it might be useful to gather all these threads under a Campaign 2008 forum, perhaps a sub-forum of the Sandbox.

http://www.tacticalgamer.com/sandbox...candidate.html

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El_Gringo_Grande

Yea, classic conservatives didn't realize how those pesky liberals saved them on many issues. They could gripe and complain how those damn democrats kept them from making the country right and good.

Problem was once they actually had the power to make the country right and good and could ignore the dems it didn't work out as well as hoped.

Democrats should, but won't, learn from this. If they take over in '08 they will probably go overboard the other direction.

Such is politics.

But if so they might be able to balance out the Supreme Court a bit.

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ScratchMonkey

Which "other" direction is that? The last time I checked, both parties vote for ever-growing government. Their differences are on focus on what to grow first and fastest, not the actual growth.

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