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07-11-2007, 12:35 PM #1
Surgeon General - doctor or politico?
Full testimony of Dr. richard H. Carmona (outgoing U.S. Surgeon General)
Originally Posted by Testimony of Dr. Richard Carmona, Surgeon General 2002-2006
http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw....7testimony.pdf
Full article: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/11/wa...agewanted=1&hp
Originally Posted by NYTimes
My opinion:
While this certainly isn't limited to the Bush administration, I think that as with a number of related issues, Bush's administration continues to be the most controlling and manipulative of all former executive administrations. Five surgeon generals are now backing this up. We've seen this type of control/censorship within NASA as well with regard to climatological studies. If some type of congressional reform comes about as a result of this, then we can say at least one good thing came out of the Bush administration - increased independence and protection from politically fueled executive oversight.
A second aspect of this issue that fascinates me - and has more of an overarching influence on humankind - is that this issue is an excellent example of the increasing conflicts between cultural ideology (and theology) and modern science. I believe that this will be an increasingly common theme in the 21st century.Last edited by Mosely; 07-11-2007 at 12:35 PM. Reason: misquote corrected
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07-11-2007, 02:06 PM #2
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I'm not trying to say the Bush admin isn't manipulative, but how much of the blame is on the SGs for not speaking up earlier? What would have happened if the Surgeon Generals did not follow orders?
Last edited by Hambergler; 07-11-2007 at 06:40 PM.

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07-11-2007, 04:46 PM #3
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SG is a political stooge?? Who would have thunk it!?!?
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07-14-2007, 10:03 PM #4
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Yeah, I've never really understood the position of Surgeon General. I mean, I know the idealistic reason for the position, but considering the political nature of the appointment, I just don't see it as necessary. Why not just let the White House put out press releases on medical issues?
And while this administration might be particularly yucky, this issue is by no means restricted to the current regime.
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07-15-2007, 01:00 AM #5
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One of the things Clinton initially got right, and then screwed up by undoing it: Appointing Jocelyn Elders.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joycelyn_EldersDude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?
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07-15-2007, 05:57 PM #6
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07-16-2007, 02:00 PM #7
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No, it's not at all restricted. That's why I thought this hearing was disturbing, because most if not all of the recent SG's reported being somehow directly affected or contradicted by the political agenda of the executive.
This may be one of those 'things' in government that you can't have both ways (partisan appointed but non-partisan in duty). It's a shame though, because 'watering down' reports on second-hand smoke or removing any support for birth control is simply harmful to the public, which seems to run counter to the purpose of the surgeon general.
I'm particularly frustrated by the testimony regarding the current administration, however - once again, taking things way, way too far.
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07-16-2007, 04:23 PM #8
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Removing support for birth control harms the public? Not if it spares them from an eternity in hell!
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07-16-2007, 05:13 PM #9
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07-16-2007, 05:17 PM #10
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07-16-2007, 06:20 PM #11
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07-17-2007, 02:03 AM #12Become a supporting member!
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07-17-2007, 11:10 AM #13
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Repent!
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07-19-2007, 09:07 PM #14
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