You call this intelligence? - Page 2

norden · 07-19-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeler

Um, doesn't the report kind of imply that bombs going of in Anbar don't necessarily prevent bombs from going off in Maine? In fact, doesn't it explicitly state that the conflict in Iraq is energizing Al Qaeda membership and providing training and recruits for potential attacks in other countries, including the US?

Update your talking points. The "fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here" line is disproven, stale, and foolish.

And cowardly, unless you're actually 'there' and not 'here'.

Morganan · 07-20-2007, 01:00 PM

I'm pretty sure we used to have an embassy over in Iran, I seem to remember them doing something to close our embassy down, hrmm, what was it??

Oh, that's right. They attacked our embassy and took everyone inside prisoner. Since the government over there has changed little in their political outlook in the close to 30 years since that occurred, why again would we want to re-establish the embassy?

ScratchMonkey · 07-20-2007, 04:33 PM

Why establish an embassy on foreign soil, anyway, when there's the UN and plenty of fancy communication gear to talk directly with their capitol? Seems like the only value of an embassy is to have a place to appoint an ambassador who contributed to your campaign, or to throw fancy cocktail and dinner parties.

Judge_Leo · 07-20-2007, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by norden

And cowardly, unless you're actually 'there' and not 'here'.

How do you know I haven't been over "there"?

**CingularDuality** · 07-21-2007, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by norden

And cowardly, unless you're actually 'there' and not 'here'.

The fact is that this country needs all types of people to keep it running. Warriors are only one type. I won't go so far as to say that we need politicians, but we definitely need leadership in our government. If everyone was 'over there', then who would be over here?

This is the same lack of logic that is employed when people were calling President Clinton a draft dodger. The fact is that the United States needs a certain amount of smart, educated people to stay here while the troops (not necessarily any less smart or educated) fight our battles for us.

**ednos** · 07-21-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

I won't go so far as to say that we need politicians, but we definitely need leadership in our government.

We need to redefine "politician" to something we need, then hire those people.

ScratchMonkey · 07-21-2007, 05:11 PM

There are those who want a meddling activist government, and those of us who want one that leaves us alone and protects us from those who want to meddle. That conflict is going to make it hard to define a "politician we need", when "we" are not so alike.

07-20-2007, 01:00 PM	#17 (permalink)
Morganan Join Date: Mar 2007 Age: 38 Posts: 601	Re: You call this intelligence? I'm pretty sure we used to have an embassy over in Iran, I seem to remember them doing something to close our embassy down, hrmm, what was it?? Oh, that's right. They attacked our embassy and took everyone inside prisoner. Since the government over there has changed little in their political outlook in the close to 30 years since that occurred, why again would we want to re-establish the embassy?

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ScratchMonkey Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Pablo, California Posts: 4,565	Re: You call this intelligence? Why establish an embassy on foreign soil, anyway, when there's the UN and plenty of fancy communication gear to talk directly with their capitol? Seems like the only value of an embassy is to have a place to appoint an ambassador who contributed to your campaign, or to throw fancy cocktail and dinner parties. __________________

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ScratchMonkey Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Pablo, California Posts: 4,565	Re: You call this intelligence? There are those who want a meddling activist government, and those of us who want one that leaves us alone and protects us from those who want to meddle. That conflict is going to make it hard to define a "politician we need", when "we" are not so alike. __________________

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