Whats the deal with all these cop killings? - Page 3

**Gillespie** · 08-12-2007, 09:08 PM

The deal with "all these cop killings"? The media has focused on it, that's all.

If the media (news networks and the sort) focused all their attention on car thefts, it would give the impression that there's a car theft crime spree clutching the nation!... even though it's status quo. Same with something, like... school shootings.

"...In today's news, *another* tragic school shooting out in..."

Does it happen everyday? No. Does the way some media outlets report these disasters make it seem like it is an epidemic? Most definitely.

The deaths of these police officers is a tragic occurrence that unfortunately is a risk of their profession. However, I disagree that this is some sort of new epidemic, or a sign of some simmering "us vs. them" clash that will erupt sometime in the future.

Atomic Dog · 08-12-2007, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by moxmax

Last thing, what I learned from the ghetto is in my signature.

Remember to pillage before you burn? I learned that in the ghetto too!

**CingularDuality** · 08-12-2007, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ednos

No. Wrong. MOST rich people are riding on what we call "old money". Many are hard workers who have the drive for success, but even at that, rarely do they start below upper-middle class.

Actually, the vast majority of millionaires have earned their money themselves. Look it up if you don't believe me. I think that around 7% of the USA is now a millionaire.

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Originally Posted by Gillespie

The deal with "all these cop killings"? The media has focused on it, that's all.

Ummm, I haven't heard anything about 'em in the news. The numbers don't lie, though.

www.odmp.org

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Line of duty deaths this month                            	6
Line of duty deaths this year (up 37% from last year)	      112
Line of duty deaths this time last year	                       82
Line of duty deaths on this date in history	               50
Line of duty deaths in America's history	           18,760

Judge_Leo · 08-13-2007, 07:09 PM

Not sure where to find the breakdown but looking at the most recent 6 deaths listed on www.odmp.org, half of the deaths were the result of traffic accidents. By following this thread you would think they were all shot by bad guys, and that is how we have been programmed to think by our mass media outlets. It's tragic that the numbers are up, but without knowing we shouldn't assume that the number of officers killed by violence has jumped.

For those that claim that the poor have no opportunity for success in the U.S. - please explain how the massive inflow of illegal workers have found work in this country? And if things are so bad here, why do they howl so loud when we send them home? Like Leejo said blaming those bad rich people is a line of BS. Poverty is as much a mental state as it is one of material wealth. A lot of the kids I grew up with were poor and so was I - we just didn't know it. You'll hear that a lot from people that grew up in my generation and before me. It has been only recently that "growing up in poverty" has been the excuse for people with little moral character failing to contribute to our society. It's a shame that the rappers can't send a positive message to their fans - that we live in one of very few countries in the world where you have the chance to make what you want of yourself - all it takes is the desire to do so. There's plenty of help along the way if you demonstrate the desire and commitment to succeed.

Atomic Dog · 08-13-2007, 07:16 PM

The reason why immigrants find it so easy to get work in our country is because the people who employ them pay them under the minimum wage. You can't employ an american for under the minimum wage. Of course the immigrants love it here...even under the minimum wage they're making more than they would in Mexico.

And let's not put cultural negativity solely at the feet of the "rapper." Television, movies, nearly all genres of music, at some point they're all guilty of reinforcing this cultural mindscrew that's going on.

I think the matter of "making yourself whatever you want to be" is not only oversimplified, but a complete pipe-dream. Sure it sounds good and it's a nice warm and fuzzy thought. But any walk through any ghetto with your eyes wide open will reveal that that dream is far from reality. It should be reality. But it's not unfortunately.

Kerostasis · 08-13-2007, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Atomic Dog

The reason why immigrants find it so easy to get work in our country is because the people who employ them pay them under the minimum wage. You can't employ an american for under the minimum wage. Of course the immigrants love it here...even under the minimum wage they're making more than they would in Mexico.

You'd be suprised how many illegals make considerably more than the minimum wage, especially in the construction industry. Of course, they still get paid tax-free, which means the employers still get nice savings.

moxmax · 08-13-2007, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Judge_Leo

For those that claim that the poor have no opportunity for success in the U.S. - please explain how the massive inflow of illegal workers have found work in this country? And if things are so bad here, why do they howl so loud when we send them home?

I believe that there are too many Americans who want to live a dream that the media portrays to all of us. But when you don't know that there is more out there, you work for what you can, just to survive.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Leo

It has been only recently that "growing up in poverty" has been the excuse for people with little moral character failing to contribute to our society. There's plenty of help along the way if you demonstrate the desire and commitment to succeed.

The definition of "Moral" I think is only in the eyes of the beholder. We all have what we call Morals but who is to say what is proper and what is not. My in-laws think I don't have many morals becuase I am a small business owner, and I don't work 9-5, amonst other things. They think becuase I tell my daughter that she "can be what ever she wants to be, all you have to do is work for it", that I am wrong. I should be teaching her to do what they call is right. Well, we all have differences of opinion, and my children will be able to define there own morals when they are able. I wish that this were true all over the world.

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Originally Posted by Atomic Dog

The reason why immigrants find it so easy to get work in our country is because the people who employ them pay them under the minimum wage. You can't employ an american for under the minimum wage. Of course the immigrants love it here...even under the minimum wage they're making more than they would in Mexico.

I do believe that Mexicans got it difficult, and I find it very ambitious that so many, do whatever they can to better themselves, and they do it without caring of what someone thinks of them. Unfortunately there are far too many Americans who wine about the loss of their job to an immagrant, but that immagrant typically works 10 times harder, and doesn't need all the money in the world to be happy.

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Originally Posted by Atomic Dog

I think the matter of "making yourself whatever you want to be" is not only oversimplified, but a complete pipe-dream. Sure it sounds good and it's a nice warm and fuzzy thought. But any walk through any ghetto with your eyes wide open will reveal that that dream is far from reality. It should be reality. But it's not unfortunately.

I completely disagree, becuase I came from the ghetto, and I did whatever I had to do (within reason, after being arrested a few times) to make my life better. I know that not everyone has the drive that I have, but unless you have an IQ less than 60, there is no reason that you can't work hard to put yourself in the position that you want to be.

"THE ONLY PERSON THAT HOLDS YOU BACK IS YOU"

Atomic Dog · 08-13-2007, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by moxmax

I completely disagree, becuase I came from the ghetto, and I did whatever I had to do (within reason, after being arrested a few times) to make my life better. I know that not everyone has the drive that I have, but unless you have an IQ less than 60, there is no reason that you can't work hard to put yourself in the position that you want to be.

As a ghetto survivor also, I have to honestly ask you if you feel that your survival wasn't mostly luck and partly ambition? I credit my survival to two things...the grace of God and a whole lot of luck. I caught breaks that most people don't. I've always considered myself very fortunate.

moxmax · 08-13-2007, 10:54 PM

Unfortunately luck has never been on my side. I have never had an oppurtunity that just came available. And God has been a part of my life off and on. I feel that God had me travel the long difficult road to be able to teach people one day, and share my experiences. I am not mad at God for the hell that I have been through, nor do I wish my childhood on my worst enemy, but God did give me the strength to get through it. There is no question about that.

I feel that I am being rewarded as I move forward. But you can never stop working.

It is harder to maintain something, than to obtain it.

08-12-2007, 09:08 PM	#31 (permalink)
Gillespie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 1,067	Re: Whats the deal with all these cop killings? The deal with "all these cop killings"? The media has focused on it, that's all. If the media (news networks and the sort) focused all their attention on car thefts, it would give the impression that there's a car theft crime spree clutching the nation!... even though it's status quo. Same with something, like... school shootings. "...In today's news, another* tragic school shooting out in..." Does it happen everyday? No. Does the way some media outlets report these disasters make it seem* like it is an epidemic? Most definitely. The deaths of these police officers is a tragic occurrence that unfortunately is a risk of their profession. However, I disagree that this is some sort of new epidemic, or a sign of some simmering "us vs. them" clash that will erupt sometime in the future.

08-13-2007, 07:09 PM	#34 (permalink)
Judge_Leo Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northern Minnesota Age: 48 Posts: 83	Re: Whats the deal with all these cop killings? Not sure where to find the breakdown but looking at the most recent 6 deaths listed on www.odmp.org, half of the deaths were the result of traffic accidents. By following this thread you would think they were all shot by bad guys, and that is how we have been programmed to think by our mass media outlets. It's tragic that the numbers are up, but without knowing we shouldn't assume that the number of officers killed by violence has jumped. For those that claim that the poor have no opportunity for success in the U.S. - please explain how the massive inflow of illegal workers have found work in this country? And if things are so bad here, why do they howl so loud when we send them home? Like Leejo said blaming those bad rich people is a line of BS. Poverty is as much a mental state as it is one of material wealth. A lot of the kids I grew up with were poor and so was I - we just didn't know it. You'll hear that a lot from people that grew up in my generation and before me. It has been only recently that "growing up in poverty" has been the excuse for people with little moral character failing to contribute to our society. It's a shame that the rappers can't send a positive message to their fans - that we live in one of very few countries in the world where you have the chance to make what you want of yourself - all it takes is the desire to do so. There's plenty of help along the way if you demonstrate the desire and commitment to succeed.

08-13-2007, 07:16 PM	#35 (permalink)
Atomic Dog Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 31 Posts: 4,106	Re: Whats the deal with all these cop killings? The reason why immigrants find it so easy to get work in our country is because the people who employ them pay them under the minimum wage. You can't employ an american for under the minimum wage. Of course the immigrants love it here...even under the minimum wage they're making more than they would in Mexico. And let's not put cultural negativity solely at the feet of the "rapper." Television, movies, nearly all genres of music, at some point they're all guilty of reinforcing this cultural mindscrew that's going on. I think the matter of "making yourself whatever you want to be" is not only oversimplified, but a complete pipe-dream. Sure it sounds good and it's a nice warm and fuzzy thought. But any walk through any ghetto with your eyes wide open will reveal that that dream is far from reality. It should be reality. But it's not unfortunately. __________________ \| ArmA SOPs \| PCS SOPs \| TG Primer \| 4th Wiki \|

08-13-2007, 10:54 PM	#39 (permalink)
moxmax Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 29 Posts: 331	Re: Whats the deal with all these cop killings? Unfortunately luck has never been on my side. I have never had an oppurtunity that just came available. And God has been a part of my life off and on. I feel that God had me travel the long difficult road to be able to teach people one day, and share my experiences. I am not mad at God for the hell that I have been through, nor do I wish my childhood on my worst enemy, but God did give me the strength to get through it. There is no question about that. I feel that I am being rewarded as I move forward. But you can never stop working. It is harder to maintain something, than to obtain it.

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