The Most Extra New Super Global Warming Thread

[ScratchMonkey]

Residential wind turbine FAQ:

http://www.awea.org/faq/rsdntqa.html

[War.mongeR1]

Originally Posted by ScratchMonkey

Residential wind turbine FAQ:

http://www.awea.org/faq/rsdntqa.html

Thanks for that link! I am totally planning on installing one of these babies out at the family farm house. I also want to throw some solar panels on the roof as well. My goal is to be capable of living off the grid some day. The cool thing is that if you generate more power than you use, your meter actually runs BACKWARDS and the utility company sends YOU a check for the kw/h's you put into the grid. At least that's what the local co-ops here do.

[ScratchMonkey]

I just googled for residential wind turbine. (I'd seen stuff about them before, so I had a pretty good guess of what to look for.)

[GhostintheShell]

I've been looking at these for a couple years, they are becoming more viable.
The problem is lot size....if you live in suburbia it isn't really possible.

One of the farmers just on the edge of town bought a massive one. Something you'd normally see in a wind farm but all by itself.

What made me laugh was that the granola gang here in town were petitioning for him to take it down because the "low frequency noise vibrations" interfere with your "biorythms" or some crap according to them.

[War.mongeR1]

Originally Posted by GhostintheShell

What made me laugh was that the granola gang here in town were petitioning for him to take it down because the "low frequency noise vibrations" interfere with your "biorythms" or some crap according to them.

Typical. In California, they were petitioning the wind farms out there, because some endangered specie of owl was running into them every once in a while. There was a proposed off-shore site in Massachusetts as well that Ted Kennedy also voted down due to the fact that it interfered with his favorite sailing spot. It's funny how one of the reddest and most republican state in the nation is a leader in renewable and clean energy. Hahaha. The hardcore environmentalists just don't know what they want. You give them windtricity and solar power and they'll still find reasons to complain. So here in Texas, we say forget about a few dead birds. The ever-renewable and clean resources are much more important.

[GlobalWarmin]

500 Scientists with Documented Doubts - about the Heartland Institute?
http://www.desmogblog.com/500-scient...land-institute

UPDATE: we have received notes now from 45 outraged scientists whose names appear on the list of 500. We've published more quotes here.

Dozens of scientists are demanding that their names be removed from a widely distributed Heartland Institute article entitled 500 Scientists with Documented Doubts of Man-Made Global Warming Scares.

The article, by Hudson Institute director and Heartland "Senior Fellow" Dennis T. Avery (inset), purports to list scientists whose work contradicts the overwhelming scientific agreement that human-induced climate change is endangering the world as we know it.

[GlobalWarmin]

Apparent Problem With Global Warming Climate Models Resolved
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0530144943.htm

Yale University scientists reported that they may have resolved a controversial glitch in models of global warming: A key part of the atmosphere didn't seem to be warming as expected.

Climate anomaly is an artefact
http://www.nature.com/news/2008/0805...l/453569a.html

A US–British team of climate scientists has now found a surprisingly simple explanation for the long-standing conundrum (page 646). It turns out that the mysterious drop is due to differences in the way that British and US ships' crews measured the sea surface temperature (SST) in the 1940s.

[[tR]Greasy_mullet]

While man made Global Warming is a Hoax, it dawned on me today WHY this issue seems to be divided on political lines.

Socialist believe that man can control society through planning. That man can really control and impact anything. Be it through manipulation of nature, mass community engineering, economic engineering, etc. With this type of arogant confidence in mans ability, its easy to take the next step that man can have such an impact on the planet. That is why liberals, socialist, communist, fascist, etc are all such self professed "Intellectuals".

Conservatives on the other hand believe in the free market. They know that man is not as smart as some might think. That we are insignificant in this huge world and while nature can be loosly tamed, it can NOT be Conquered. The idea that any person or group of people can plan an economey or social engineer anything is just absurd. It is just as absurd to boast that man hasimpact on our planet and the environment so large that we are actually changing the temputure of the earth! Instead with the idea that man is insignificant in the world, conservatives look to science and nature to see what is really going on. They see natural cycles of the Earth and our sun. They see warming on other planets. Knowing again that man is small and insigificant.

Now it makes sense to me why the line on this has been draw along political lines and why neither side will ever give in the debate as the issue is not just Global Warming but its about or World Views.

[Razcsak]

"General Ripper: Do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk, ice cream? Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream!...You know when fluoridation began?...1946. 1946, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh?"

The commies are coming for you, mullet.

[GlobalWarmin]

Greasy, I love you

[bkelly]

Originally Posted by [tR]Greasy_mullet

While man made Global Warming is a Hoax...

What makes you so certain?

Originally Posted by [tR]Greasy_mullet

It is just as absurd to boast that man hasimpact on our planet and the environment so large that we are actually changing the temputure of the earth!

Scientists estimate that CO2 levels were about 260-280 ppmv for the last 10,000 years but has climed 42% to 384 ppmv starting shortly after humans started industrializing.

Is it your assertion that humans had nothing to do with this increase?

Originally Posted by [tR]Greasy_mullet

Now it makes sense to me why the line on this has been draw along political lines and why neither side will ever give in the debate as the issue is not just Global Warming but its about or World Views.

Right. George Bush would never admit that greenhouse gases are a problem.

bkelly

[GlobalWarmin]

Senate votes to begin global warming debate
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080602/...te_showdown_21

But supporters of the bill acknowledged it will be difficult — perhaps impossible — to overcome a certain GOP filibuster threat against the legislation, meaning congressional action on global warming will probably be decided in the next Congress and by the next president.

NASA's own watchdog: Agency misled on global warming
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080602/...L9mehPPiKMwfIE

[Beatnik]

Originally Posted by [tR]Greasy_mullet

While man made Global Warming is a Hoax, it dawned on me today WHY this issue seems to be divided on political lines.

Socialist believe that man can control society through planning. That man can really control and impact anything. Be it through manipulation of nature, mass community engineering, economic engineering, etc. With this type of arogant confidence in mans ability, its easy to take the next step that man can have such an impact on the planet. That is why liberals, socialist, communist, fascist, etc are all such self professed "Intellectuals".

Conservatives on the other hand believe in the free market. They know that man is not as smart as some might think. That we are insignificant in this huge world and while nature can be loosly tamed, it can NOT be Conquered. The idea that any person or group of people can plan an economey or social engineer anything is just absurd. It is just as absurd to boast that man hasimpact on our planet and the environment so large that we are actually changing the temputure of the earth! Instead with the idea that man is insignificant in the world, conservatives look to science and nature to see what is really going on. They see natural cycles of the Earth and our sun. They see warming on other planets. Knowing again that man is small and insigificant.

Now it makes sense to me why the line on this has been draw along political lines and why neither side will ever give in the debate as the issue is not just Global Warming but its about or World Views.

While I'm sure that's a very comforting philosophical worldview for you, unfortunately the science points in the polar opposite direction.

And conservatives don't think they can plan an economy or engage in social engineering, or say, nation building? What then did were the neo-cons doing in Iraq?

While it may be tempting for conservatives to boil down liberals' stance on climate change to simple arrogance, fortunately for us liberals we have tons of scientific data backing our viewpoint, and really all but the most ideologically driven conservatives have finally conceded that man-induced global warming does in fact exist.

But this "argument" isn't an ideological or rhetorical one, it's a scientific one. And the VAST majority of scientific data supports the fact that our actions are in fact having a significant impact on this big, big world, regardless of the "absurdity" of that notion or not.

[xTYBALTx]

Energy Wedgists versus Technology Breakthroughists - The future of the world's economy and climate may depend on which side wins

[bkelly]

FYI, today the White House released a "state of global warming" report entitled "A Scientific Assessment of the Effects of Global Change on the United States". It's role is similar to that of the UN's IPCC reports but without the potential for bias from international politics.

However, the results are still not good:

An increasing body of scientific research supports the conclusion that, while greenhouse gases are but one of many factors that affect climate, they are very likely the single largest cause of the recent warming.

According to CCSP SAP 4.3, it is very likely that temperature increases, increasing carbon dioxide levels, and altered patterns of precipitation are already affecting U.S. water resources, agriculture, land resources, biodiversity, and human health, among other things. SAP 4.3 also concluded that it is very likely that climate change will continue to have significant effects on these resources over the next few decades and beyond.

You can read a summary of the report on Yahoo news here.

Or you can read the actual report for yourself here.

bkelly