The Most Extra New Super Global Warming Thread

[GlobalWarmin]

Democracy only operates if the public has accurate information. So, every time the Bush Administration edits government science reports, when the Heritage Foundation holds fake climate conferences, and when cable and network news programs give equal time to presenting anti-science viewpoints, democracy is directly threatened.

The GOP runs the federal government to tell people what they can and can't do with their own bodies and minds. I can hardly imagine a government bigger and more overreaching than that. It's quite interesting that people who are afraid of the federal government think that they are Republicans.

[LordKelvin]

Originally Posted by GlobalWarmin

Democracy only operates if the public has accurate information. So, every time the Bush Administration edits government science reports, when the Heritage Foundation holds fake climate conferences, and when cable and network news programs give equal time to presenting anti-science viewpoints, democracy is directly threatened.

The GOP runs the federal government to tell people what they can and can't do with their own bodies and minds. I can hardly imagine a government bigger and more overreaching than that. It's quite interesting that people who are afraid of the federal government think that they are Republicans.

Democrats are the same, under a different guise. In the name of freedom and free speech and individual rights, they lock down the average man's livelihood by imposing absurd taxes to fund public projects that will never benefit him. Tell me why I should have to pay so that lazy people get unemployment and welfare, and why I should have to pay for a random minority's college education. Tell me why I should have to pay for any number of other costly spending that I will never see the benefit of.

Democrats are BIG government. This is why those who are against federal meddling call themselves Republicans. The GOP only manipulates the government itself, Democrats manipulate the people.

[Kerostasis]

Nice backtrack there. So when the people vote against your position, its only because they've been fed propaganda and are now threatening democracy. But the people who vote for your position have of course never been fed any pro-global-warming propaganda, and their votes reflect true democracy. The left has always had an interesting definition of "democracy".

[El_Gringo_Grande]

Originally Posted by LordKelvin

Well then, when you find conclusive proof of global warming, come tell me.

I will not argue with you over this. There are those that practice bad science. I do not like professionals that post inconclusive results. When they have found something of interest, then they should share it with us. Otherwise, they should spare the rest of us from inconclusive data that can be twisted one way or another.

You are missing my point. Your views are not formed by the science. Even the scientists have done little to form your view.

It sounds that you have gotten all your information through those things you rail against. The media, political people and a couple showboat scientists.

In this and most other discussions about this topic almost all the information presented are nothing more than fractured facts and misinterpreted blurbs from scientific papers usually interpreted by untrained bloggers, journalists and forum posters.

[GlobalWarmin]

I love you guys

[Kerostasis]

Originally Posted by GlobalWarmin

I love you guys

Aw, we love you too. These things are so much fun.

[War.mongeR1]

Group hug!

[Switch]

Man it annoys me how people go on about the green movement is this economic conspiracy designed to make a quick buck for the environmentally friendly industrial complex. Damn them to hell... if only all businesses were as ethical as the oil conglomerates that work so hard to do whats best for everyone.

[ScratchMonkey]

Originally Posted by leejo

Just because you're a "scientist" doesn't mean you aren't a fool. It doesn't even mean you're a good scientist. And there's a very old saying about the path to hell and good intentions. You can shove your intentions. Everyone but the most twisted have the same intentions. Creating a plan that will work and that achieves good intentions is a lot more tricky, Mr. Scientist.

Case in point: Uri Geller, and the fools that study his wonderous spoon bending ability. Is James Randi a flat earther because he doesn't believe that Geller's tricks are real?

[ScratchMonkey]

Originally Posted by GlobalWarmin

You do realize that the "us" that "controls" life, i.e. the government, is the American people, right? You seem afraid of or completely opposed to our democracy

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H. L. Mencken

So far none of the people I've voted for have made it into office. On rare occasions, the lemmings and I agree on state initiatives.

--which by the way only truly is democracy if the public have honest and uncensored information to make decisions upon; which is certainty not the case with issues about science and the environment, thanks to your ideological masters on the right.

Nothing prevents the public from getting their own facts, instead of depending on government to spoon feed them. Well, there's one thing: Indoctrination to be gullible from birth. Skepticism is strongly discouraged in our culture. To paraphrase those in power (ministers, priests, parents, police): "Stop asking difficult questions or I'll punch you in the mouth!" (Or "paddle your behind", or "have you do a penance", or "put you in holding while I go do paperwork".)

[bkelly]

LordKelvin, I've been trying to continue the discussion about predictions and tests regarding your ozone hypothesis. I've asked for your input three times but never seen a direct reply.

What's up?

bkelly

[LordKelvin]

I've been alternately sidetracked, lazy, and lost in the sea of irrelevant posts.

I'll post again on the issue tomorrow, right now I'm way too spent to be able to post a coherent argument.

[CingularDuality]

Is this the thread that we were talking about solar activity and radio transmissions? I think so.

Anyway, I love the title of this article. We're killing her and she's crying:
Earth's cries recorded in space.

[Kerostasis]

That's what I thought when I saw that headline too. Then I actually read the article and it has nothing to do with man hurting the earth, just purely natural astronomical events. Over-cynicism for the win!

[GlobalWarmin]

Originally Posted by Kerostasis

Over-cynicism for the win!

hehe