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    Wearing the TG Tags (A re-post)

    I orginally posted this thread on the BF2 forums back in 2005. Battlefield 2 had just launched and I'd been seeing some disturbing things happening with the HUGE influx of new people that the game was bringing to TG. Things that had me worried.

    I had been a newcomer to TG at that point, but realized that I had basically come home when I found this place. Its ideals, beliefs and style of play were things that I had been looking for for a loooooong time. As I look back on it now, it still amazes me how special this place is and how awesome a collection of people it has attracted.

    Some of you may read this and think I was drinking to much of the TG kool aid when I wrote it, and that's fine. To each their own and I respect that opinion. But if that's all you take away from it, then maybe this really isn't the place for you. If you're only here because you ping great to our servers and/or you like the competition then no worries, you're more than welcome. Just remember to follow the house rules and have fun.

    However, if you're like me and so many others that have come to appreciate this place, then maybe...just maybe you've found that place you've been looking for. Where an amazing group of people believe in the same things that you do. Team. Honor. Respect. Words that are sadly, far to absent when it comes to on-line gaming.

    To be clear, you don't have to wear the |TG| tags to be a part of Tactical Gamer. There are MANY members that don't use them and represent this place with distinction. So while my post used the Tags as a reference, at its heart, its about buying into a belief and representing this place the way it deserves, Tags or no.

    For all that have read this post already, I hope you forgive me for re-posting it here. This is in no way a replacement for official policy which can be read here: http://www.tacticalgamer.com/faq.php...earing_tg_tags

    This is all my personal opinion and any issues with it should be directed at me alone. I just felt it was relevent considering some of the early bumps we've had with TF2 and the amount of interest the game has drawn. For everyone that commented and added their own opinions to the original, you have my utmost appreciation. It has truely been my honor.

    http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlef...amer-tags.html


    Before I start I want to say that this may get a little long. And everything I'm stating is my own opinion. If any Admins here feel that I'm out of line in what I'm saying or totally off base, please feel free to point it out to me. I've just seen a TON of new people on the servers with a |TG| in their name and I've never seen most of them post. Not that that's a requirement or anything, but it has given me some pause.

    So I wanted to express my feelings about what it all means.....To me anyway.


    I'm wondering how many of you know what goes into putting those |TG| tags on in addition to your Callsign? Or even just playing on the servers for that matter? Most times, wearing Tags signifies that you've joined, or been accepted to, a Clan/Guild/Team. However, that's not really the case here. Yes, you've joined a group, but most of the rigors of a competitive Clan don't apply here.

    There's no initiation, or vote or application. There isn't a test of skill or a "Trial Period". And there's no specific set of Leaders that bestow the Tags to you after you've "earned" them. Hell, most anyone can put them on to be honest.

    So, I can see how that may lead you to think that wearing the |TG| tags is easy. However, you couldn't be more wrong. Yes, putting them on is easy, but the price of wearing them and/or playing on our servers the Tactical Gamer way does take a solid commitment.

    And that commitment is all based on Honor and a willingness to adapt to a belief.

    But before I get into that I have to wonder WHY you want to wear the Tags?

    To some, it may be the certain "Status Symbol" they are looking for. Like a "Hey, look at me, I'm in |TG|! I'm da MAN!" In a sense, that view is valid, but it totally disregards everything else that is involved. Because with that "status" comes a great responsibility.

    When you decide put that Tag on and/or play here you become a part of, hopefully, something better. Something closer to a family. Here it's no longer all about YOU, but about US. And your actions, good and bad, reflect on everyone that call's Tactical Gamer a home. Those actions include your conduct off the servers as well as on.

    See, these Tags don't give you anything. They aren't a key to getting on the server whenever you want. They don't protect you from getting kicked. And they certainly don't make you a better person/player. Yes, there's a certain respect that people will have when they see the |TG| in your name, but it's up to you to live up to that respect. Because it was built on the backs of a lot of other players that have been here doing this for a long time.

    They've built a place where the Team comes first. Where people try to play the right way. Where it's about acheiving the goals of the team over being the Lord of the Stats. And what's amazing about all this is that once people get a taste of it, they find that they like it. They like it a lot.

    Complete strangers with nothing more in common than a server and a specific style of play find that they like it enough that they want to protect it as well as promote it. And in this on-line world that we play in, that is indeed something special.

    Ok, this is where I get to the "Honor" part. Many people seem to think that all there is to playing an FPS game is how much Skill you have. They feel that skill covers up everything else and that's all it takes to make a "name" for themselves. Well skill is important but, IMO, attitude makes or breaks you. Skill can be learned, and honed. Honor, well either you have that or you don't. Especially with regards to honoring your commitment to your squad and your team.

    I've seen many a great player with no Honor or with that ME first mentality, and personally, I'll take an honorable no skill newbie over a skilled jackass any day of the week. Least with that newbie, the hard part is already done.

    Think about it.

    Last thing, Always respect the time and effort that the Admin's put into making Tactical Gamer and its servers go. These people that give up their personal time to make this place what it is deserve your respect. Have a problem with something? Then voice it in a civil manner and speak how you would like to be spoken to. Yes there are going to be some bugs and glitches but that's the price you pay for having people that are constantly trying to make things better for YOU, the gamers that play here.

    Just something to remember next time things get screwy serverside and some frustration sets in.

    Think you can do better? Well then go run your own servers. Because, always remember, there would be NO servers/forums etc. for you to bitch about without their sacrifices.

    So before you throw on that Tag or just decide to play here, remember what comes with it. It doesn't do anything more than shine a light on you and add some serious expectations. When people join a squad or server with TG people on it, they do so with the expecation of some GREAT teamplay. As well as playing with a fun group of guys and gals who believe in that style with all their hearts. Now if you can't or won't hold up your end of that, then it reflects on ALL of us that believe in this place and what it stands for. And you'd probably be better off playing someplace else.

    Changes the perspective a bit doesn't it?
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    Re: Wearing the TG Tags (A re-post)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bommando View Post
    I think we need a mod that fires TG tags out of guns, so we can shower people in TG goodness.

    That could make the guns OP though, so heavy monitoring and a regular review of tag ammunition balance would be required. I propose we appoint a consortium responsible for all tag-related issues.

    It's all in the Reflexes.

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    Re: Wearing the TG Tags (A re-post)

    I've never worn the tag.

    I support this community by participating in the forums and encouraging teamwork in-game. I consider the monetary donation a small way of repaying all the goodness that has been given to me by the better members of Tactical Gamer, in addition to covering the cost of me playing on their servers.

    That said, wearing the tag makes me uncomfortable. I have seen a lot of long time wearers do things I do not approve of. However, their behavior is rarely corrected. There often is a serious misconception with "what it means" to be TG. So much that these forums are full of players accusing others of "not getting it." I don't dare wear the tag because I know someday someone will eventually blast me for being such a clueless fool, and I doubt I could stand the humiliation of my voluntary tag being revoked.

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    Re: Wearing the TG Tags (A re-post)

    Thanks for posting that Nemesis. You had some great stuff in there... and I think Schwa and Bom share (or seem to) a similar feeling that many TGers do about wearing tags because of so many incidents in the past. I personally do not feel that is a reason to not wear the tag, simply because you are afraid of being crucified later if you make a mistake. We all make mistakes, even those who wear the tags. Another poor reason not to wear the tag is so people do not know you are an sm or even non sm member.

    That being said... as a general view, I don't think choosing to not wear your tag is any detriment to you as a person, member or player unless you are going by the guidelines I stated above. There are valid reasons for not wearing the tag, the biggest being it is an option, afterall. But please don't think you can hide behind not wearing the tag. This community is big, but chances are if you are an sm, someone will notice you.

    You should always have the mindset that you are wearing the tag, even when you are not.

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    Re: Wearing the TG Tags (A re-post)

    I'm still new to the TG community. I've never been in a FPS based group or anything, nor have I been around FPS games much in the last 4 or 5 years.

    I sort of feel like the only TG players currently involved with TG TF2 are all IHS members, and it feels weird to wear the generic TG tag for some reason to me.

    On the flip side of the coin, when I found TG within 2142 a month or so ago it was much easier to wear the TG tag as there is a much larger abundance of non-IHS TG members playing.

    I am positive I will become a supporting member in the near future and perhaps that can change if it works out.

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    Re: Wearing the TG Tags (A re-post)

    Quote Originally Posted by Admerylous View Post
    I sort of feel like the only TG players currently involved with TG TF2 are all IHS members, and it feels weird to wear the generic TG tag for some reason to me.
    It may seem this way, but it really isn't. It looks like that IHS participation is in a much greater perecentage in the BFx titles, and that IHS participation not as much a feature of other TG titles. This goes along with the fact that wearing the TG tags look to not be as emphasized in other titles because when the player counts are much lower it is easier to know who is or isn't a SM or part of TG by memory. With BFx and 50-60 people running around on a map you need quick ID and it's hard to remember who is or isn't with that many players, so nearly every single TG BFx player will wear their tags.

    TF2 has people coming together from many various titles where things work differently, so it ends up that the high percentage of BFx folks both wear their tags and participate in the IHS program and those that are from previous Source titles neither wear the tag nor participate in the IHS program. I'm not saying that either method is better just that there is an illusion that there is a higher percentage of IHS members in the playerbase than there really is and that there is anything odd with wearing non-affiliated TG tags.

    Another thing to keep in mind is that (with rare execeptions) everyone lucky enough to stumble upon TG spends time out of the IHS system. I've worn the non-affiliated tags and was proud to do so while I did, just as I'm also proud to be a member of the 3rd now. If everyone who was an SM (or even forums members) was to wear tags on the server I'm pretty sure that you would see much more non-affiliated folks then IHS folks playing currently.

    On the flip side of the coin, when I found TG within 2142 a month or so ago it was much easier to wear the TG tag as there is a much larger abundance of non-IHS TG members playing.
    I'm not sure how to address this without sounding overly preachy so I'll keep it short. I'd say that you shouldn't ever let people participating in IHS let you feel uncomfortable wearing the TG tag. We're all TG after all.




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    Re: Wearing the TG Tags (A re-post)

    If you can handle four basic tenets of being a TG member: Maturity, respect, teamwork, communication, then you could be the worst FPS gamer in all the world and still be capable of wearing the TG tag without harassment.

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    Re: Wearing the TG Tags (A re-post)

    To those thinking that TG tags are generic, overused, or useless, let me offer a different perspective. I currently bounce around between three games here at TG - BF2, Armed Assault, and more recently Team Fortress 2. While I certainly have a short list of people I know around here, the list of people I don't know (or better, don't remember) is much, much longer. I come in contact with players from three different games (not too many of us seem to overlap these days). To me, seeing |TG| in front of a player's name causes an immediate subconcious acknowledgement of that player. I'm more inclined to pay attention to them, squad up with them, and remember them.

    Think of wearing the |TG| tag as an improved 'Hello! My name is' sticker on your shirt. It means something to your fellow TG'ers, at least this one.

    And yes, I do agree that wearing them should hold you to a higher standard - but what's wrong with that?

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    Re: Wearing the TG Tags (A re-post)

    Quote Originally Posted by AMosely View Post
    To those thinking that TG tags are generic, overused, or useless, let me offer a different perspective. I currently bounce around between three games here at TG - BF2, Armed Assault, and more recently Team Fortress 2. While I certainly have a short list of people I know around here, the list of people I don't know (or better, don't remember) is much, much longer. I come in contact with players from three different games (not too many of us seem to overlap these days). To me, seeing |TG| in front of a player's name causes an immediate subconcious acknowledgement of that player. I'm more inclined to pay attention to them, squad up with them, and remember them.

    Think of wearing the |TG| tag as an improved 'Hello! My name is' sticker on your shirt. It means something to your fellow TG'ers, at least this one.

    And yes, I do agree that wearing them should hold you to a higher standard - but what's wrong with that?
    I was going to add my thoughts on this but you just summed it up perfectly.

    Nice job!

    And I appreciate the comments to the thread. It basically comes down to a simple question for people. Why are you here? The Tags are a part of it, and I encourage everyone that truely believes in this place and what it's about to wear them with pride. If you do, then NEVER feel intimidated or uncomfortable wearing them. Especially if it's a question of skill. That is the LEAST important factor when it comes to Tactical Gamer.

    To be clear, my words were more directed at the people that do choose wear them yet might not get what goes with it. Just because you play on a TG server, doesn't mean you understand what this place is all about. It's easy to pay lip service to our ideals, it's another thing entirely to live up to them. And that should always be how we judge people around here. Words are important, but it is your actions that define you.
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    Re: Wearing the TG Tags (A re-post)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheFeniX View Post
    If you can handle four basic tenets of being a TG member: Maturity, respect, teamwork, communication, then you could be the worst FPS gamer in all the world and still be capable of wearing the TG tag without harassment.
    I agree completely, skill is not the fifth requirement, this is not a clan with try-outs. TG is a community and if a person finds TG and does the TG thing then they can self appoint themselves, as such, and wear the TG tags. A person can wear the TG tags whether they are a supporting member (paying member) or not.

    I perceive there has been a fad lately of not wearing the tags, a reaction to the team balancing thread. This will pass, TG tags will return, they help to make friends. Like AMosely says, if they have a TG tag on then you know you can talk to them and they will be friendly straight away.

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    Re: Wearing the TG Tags (A re-post)

    Quote Originally Posted by AMosely View Post
    ...an improved 'Hello! My name is' sticker on your shirt

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    Re: Wearing the TG Tags (A re-post)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheFeniX View Post
    If you can handle four basic tenets of being a TG member: Maturity, respect, teamwork, communication, then you could be the worst FPS gamer in all the world and still be capable of wearing the TG tag without harassment.
    FeniX, thanks for identifying me. I have to be the worst shot in every title we support here, which is why I play support classes the most. The wearing of the tags signifies publically that you understand what it is that we (TG) try to accomplish as a community. No one is mandated to wear the tags, but it sure helps to identify a Tg'er to the rest of the public.

    Mosley- I could not agree with you more, that pretty much sums it up for me.
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    Re: Wearing the TG Tags (A re-post)

    Quote Originally Posted by AMosely View Post
    And yes, I do agree that wearing them should hold you to a higher standard - but what's wrong with that?
    Absolutely nothing.

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    Re: Wearing the TG Tags (A re-post)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bc2ID View Post
    I have to be the worst shot in every title we support here, which is why I play support classes the most.
    This one line summarizes what is at the heart of a team player and tactical gamer. We don't play for stats or even to win - we play for the team, and we play for the team to have fun.

    If you think about it, overanalyzing this simple tenet doesn't really help the team, does it?

    I wonder - has anyone ever thought of changing TG to mean 'Team Gamer?'

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    Re: Wearing the TG Tags (A re-post)

    Quote Originally Posted by AMosely View Post
    I wonder - has anyone ever thought of changing TG to mean 'Team Gamer?'
    To play with tactics is to play as a team. It's the only way.

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