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    Re: Scrim: TG vs TFR

    Ok...change of plans. I just spoke with root and we banged out a more holliday friendly date and time.

    The match will be Saturday, December 29th at 4pm Eastern. We will be playing 8v8. Maps will be 2Fort and Mach2, with Hydro to be used in event of a tie. CTF maps will be played to 5 captures FTW.

    I need to talk to Fenix about any config changes we may or may not want. I'm not the most savvy when it comes to this side of scrims.

    I won't be needed on the reserves list after all.

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    Re: Scrim: TG vs TFR

    Great, thanks for the leg work Dog. The maps and times sound good.
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    Re: Scrim: TG vs TFR

    Quote Originally Posted by Bc2ID View Post
    Aww Root you trying to get Cheeky with us?
    That's why you love me Bc2ID.

    No matter win or lose it will be a good time had by all.
    With the characters involved I'd say it's a dead cert.
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    Re: Scrim: TG vs TFR

    Just so we're clear, it would be very unsportting of us to camp intel room, while intel isn't present, for any reason. TFR takes a hard stance on this and has rules in place on their own servers to prevent it. Knowing this, we should respect their playstyle as much as we enjoy our own and do what we can to keep the match fair and sportting.

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    Re: Scrim: TG vs TFR

    To be clear, if you plan on camping our intel room expect to feel the love of my flamethrower and Ouijas turret.
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    Re: Scrim: TG vs TFR

    Quote Originally Posted by Root View Post
    When I was TG, those things were implied in the TG primer. Good sportsmanship fits in with teamwork, communication & objective, but before wiping the floor with you guys.
    I'm not arguing your server rules (given that it's YOUR server), but philosophically, I really don't see how either one of those are bad sportsmanship, given the reasons that I stated above for both of my points. I would consider "bad sportsmanship" to be cheating/exploits/etc., such as building sentries underneath the map, or finding a spot where you were invulnerable (such as on a few old HLDM maps). However, I qualified both of my points by stating how unlike exploits, etc., both of the "issues" are no more difficult to overcome than a few sentry guns. It's a matter of teamwork. As such, implying that somebody is a bad sportsman for finding those rules unnecessary (at least on the server that I admin, which is irrelevant to this scrim, but we're speaking philosophically) is really quite unnecessary.

    When I used to be very active in Airsoft, a teammate of mine frequently accused another buddy of "cheating", when the latter would merely hide and shoot, rather than run out into the open, Rambo-style.

    On topic, the scrim sounds good, but I'm not 100% sure I could do it this weekend- there's going to be a lot of traveling.

    Edit: Oooh, that time is much better. There's a much stronger chance that I could play now :P
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    Re: Scrim: TG vs TFR

    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor Goku View Post
    On topic, the scrim sounds good, but I'm not 100% sure I could do it this weekend- there's going to be a lot of traveling.
    The scrim won't be this weekend, I posted the details a few posts above this one. Hopefully Fenix will add the info to the OP.

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    Re: Scrim: TG vs TFR

    Quote Originally Posted by Atomic Dog View Post
    Just so we're clear, it would be very unsportting of us to camp intel room, while intel isn't present, for any reason. TFR takes a hard stance on this and has rules in place on their own servers to prevent it. Knowing this, we should respect their playstyle as much as we enjoy our own and do what we can to keep the match fair and sportting.
    I don't think that this is unreasonable. This gives them more of a sporting chance...
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    Re: Scrim: TG vs TFR

    Goku, while I do understand your reservation about rules you don't agree with, TFR has decided to host this match so I'm deferring to them on the rule set. As it stands, I agree with you: I don't really consider to rules to be very necessary, but that's beside the point.

    Neither are tactics I've seen relied upon on the TG:TF2 server and this is a friendly match between communities, so there's really no problem if the two teams can agree with the listed rules.

    Also, I'll update the time.
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    Re: Scrim: TG vs TFR

    I'm in for that.

    ...Anything to kill root again.

    Providing he doesn't do himself in for me.

    Ah...nostalgia...

    Mmm...

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    Re: Scrim: TG vs TFR

    So it seems I'm on the TG rooster. Good good. This means I get to go head to head against my rival demonman (not a typo) Hogan.

    This will be a fun way to end the year with a bang.

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    You're on their rooster, huh? It's a good thing FF is off or you'd probably blow you're own team up.
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    Re: Scrim: TG vs TFR

    Hey just because I let the names of our tactical plans slip doesn't mean you've beaten us just yet.

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    Re: Scrim: TG vs TFR

    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor Goku View Post
    I'm not arguing your server rules (given that it's YOUR server), but philosophically, I really don't see how either one of those are bad sportsmanship, given the reasons that I stated above for both of my points. I would consider "bad sportsmanship" to be cheating/exploits/etc., such as building sentries underneath the map, or finding a spot where you were invulnerable (such as on a few old HLDM maps). However, I qualified both of my points by stating how unlike exploits, etc., both of the "issues" are no more difficult to overcome than a few sentry guns. It's a matter of teamwork. As such, implying that somebody is a bad sportsman for finding those rules unnecessary (at least on the server that I admin, which is irrelevant to this scrim, but we're speaking philosophically) is really quite unnecessary.

    When I used to be very active in Airsoft, a teammate of mine frequently accused another buddy of "cheating", when the latter would merely hide and shoot, rather than run out into the open, Rambo-style.
    Yah but it is kind of a cheap kill when you kill someone right out of spawn. They don't have time to get acclimated to the battlefield, they go in with no knowledge of the battlefield. Same could be said going into your own spawn room when it's being camped. It's a place you don't expect to be occupied unless the intel is there, noted by the indicator on your UI.

    Intel rooms and spawn rooms are not expected to be occupied by players just waiting to kill you. They're not technically the battlefield. There are rules of war and we're playing simulations and games, often times whose architecture depends on the integrity of the player (ie spawn rooms).

    We here at TG and presumably at TFR want to provide the best playable experience for everyone. How does a player taking two feet out of the spawn room after respawning have a great time? I don't know about you but that makes me frustrated.

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    Re: Scrim: TG vs TFR

    We'll need a replacement for me. I can't make the Scrim. The wife has overruled my plans by having people come over at, of all times, 4 on the dot.

    Good luck gang!

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