Medic Achievement-Whore Thread

[Doctor.]

Originally Posted by MagnaCentipede

That would be cheating, though.

it would be using a console command valve kept in game to bypass the idiotic grindfest

[MagnaCentipede]

It would be using a console command Valve forgot to remove because they were trying to get the content out to everyone. It's gone as of the latest hotfix.

[Doctor.]

oh well whatever this update is pretty crap outside of the new map enjoy the idiotic achievements because ubering a scout really is a great goal

[TheSkudDestroyer]

Alright...

When did the Game Officer authorize players to use the TG private Match Server for medic whoring?

[TheFeniX]

Originally Posted by TheSkudDestroyer

Alright...

When did the Game Officer authorize players to use the TG private Match Server for medic whoring?

I've got a post in the admin forum discussing the situation right now.

That said, I think it would be prudent for members to concern themselves with populating the main server foremost, then worrying about achievements.

[TheSkudDestroyer]

If any of you care, you should know that once apon a time, in BF2, TG was one of the few servers to stand proudly with no unlocks. No stat padding. No stats.

Is this what you're all becoming now? I told you not to wear TG tags for a reason. TG does not play for stats! I can't even put it into words how incredibly frustrated I am right now seeing 8+ TG players on our MATCH SERVER whoring achievements! You're not achieving anything.

Call me a bully. Call me an idealist. Call me stupid.

I wish this stupid medic pack never happened. Maybe then today after school I could have had some fun on the TG server. Instead, I watched more and more join the match server to increase stats.

I want to know how this is any different, AT ALL, from stat padding in any other game. I want to know how this is acceptable by TG standards.

I've spent so many hours seeding/playing on the server... is this what it really amounts to? Stat padding? On a TG server that you shouldnt even be using? What happened to the promise that you'd be on a non-TG server doing this crap?

If this is really what you all wanted, then I don't want to be a part of any of it. Because to some of us 8.95 a month and countless hours of contribution meant something more than wearing a ****** TG tag. I don't pay 7 months in a row to support this crap on a TG server. I don't pay for a slot, or to be part of the 6th. I pay to support like minded players on TG servers - teamwork, TG-first, contributing individuals. Not this.

Go on ahead. Challenge me.

[Doctor.]

ROFL welcome to the internet

[TheSkudDestroyer]

Originally Posted by Doctor.

achievement_unlock_all unlocks everything so no whoring required

Originally Posted by Doctor.

ROFL welcome to the internet

Originally Posted by TG PRIMER

Within Tactical Gamer, ANY activity that capitalizes on the limitations of a game to provide the advantage rather than that advantage coming from superior teamwork, strategy and tactics, is frowned upon. We all want to win when we play, but the focus at Tactical Gamer should be one of winning with some sort of dignity, honor, and skill, not because you were able to out-exploit the other team or box them into a corner built on technological weakness that gives you the advantage.

I'm sure Axis of Evil would love to see how an irregular behaves. You posted a known exploit to the game knowing that it may be detrimental to TG-style play on our server.

Cheers,

EDIT: And for clarity, any TG tag wearer is expected have read the TG Primer before wearing a tag. Futhermore, any player who has not read the Primer should not wear the tag.

[Fish #641]

Well, seeing as if you go onto any other server right now, you're just going to run into achievement whores, by seeding the TG server we'd be looking at the exact same thing. I never actually played BF2, so I don't know what "stat padding" means in that game, per say, but we're not simply trying to get a certain amount of kills to make our stats look more respectable for whatever reason. For about a week, we'll be looking at everyone on pubs being medic. Everyone wants to have the new weapons to try them out. They're not necessarily going to make us better, but it adds a new dimension to the game. Getting these together is really just finding what teamwork we can in this situation. If we were really intent on playing strict TG rules, we would have to password protect the server and strictly moderate everything that's going on for a couple weeks, which sucks the fun out of the game. It's also not as if we were going to practice on the match server and then the whores took it over. It was empty, we changed the password, and we got it going.
I really don't see what the big deal is. I don't think "Man, I bought TF2, I support it by playing it, and people are turning off crits on servers? How dare they! That's not how I believe TF2 should be played! That's infuriating!"

[MagnaCentipede]

"Go on ahead. Challenge me."
Since you seek a challenge, okay, but if you seek a challenge, why do you say "Call me a bully. Call me an idealist. Call me stupid." Doing so would lose the argument by default. Are you seeking a free-win here?


I don't 'do' bureaucracy or drama much. That means I don't hold much sacred and I certainly don't when it's sacrament for sacrament's sake. The Match server has an imperceptable impact, if any, on overall server performance. Thus, using it and not using it is the difference between using a resource and watching it sit idle. And I see in-use as strictly superior to idle.

The Destroyer of Skuds seeks to argue a lack of fitness to TG's charter. He is blind for he looks from the outside in without thinking about what he's seeing.

TG is supposed to be about players who play for amusement in an organised manner with a focus on communication and teamwork, yes? And what do we have here on the match server? Players who are playing for amusement in an organised manner with a focus on communication and teamwork. Nearly every one of these achievements requires a minimum number of players to work together to achieve a common goal. And often, to take turns sacrificing their game time to wholly benefit someone else.

Compare how much teamwork TG players show in the pub and in the scrims we've run to what is going on in the Achievement Club, and dispair -- achivements have brought more togetherness and co-operation than facing down TFR or 7th ever did; more than any TG-sided pub match, and tonnes more than an "organised" and sheduled BFCL practice event.

The achivements aren't about Roomba griefing, trolling, or general marmosetism. They are minigames that are centred around players using creative forms of teamwork to reach their goals.

This has nothing to do with stats themselves. Everyone's upset about them! I'm showing most-kills and most-points as 54-medic. I'm not proud of that, it's a disguisting cake. But that is a sacrifice we have chosen to make to 'earn' the new game content. And do you think any of us are going to grind for stats or even care to look at them after the toolkit is freed? Not until the next pack, for sure.


I sympathise with your position. I loathe the achievement system as it is, and I too worry that it is a turn for the worse. But I am in no position to change it and I am not upset enough to resign from TF2, so I'm going to get it out of the way and then get back to whining about backstabs, which seem to fail even more after the update...

[TheSkudDestroyer]

Originally Posted by Fish #641

It was empty, we changed the password, and we got it going.
I really don't see what the big deal is.

You did not have the permission of the TF2 Game Officer to change the PW as far as I know.

If I'm mistaken in my assertion, I'll apologize to B2CID.

[Fish #641]

Shouldn't this be reserved for PM's?

[MagnaCentipede]

Fish didn't change it. I changed it.

I changed it specifically to ensure that the default password, which is the official match password, doesn't become public knowledge, since then we'd need a new match password and that would require Bc2Fen to edit the server configs.

[Axis of Eeevil]

Originally Posted by TheSkudDestroyer

I'm sure Axis of Evil would love to see how an irregular behaves. You posted a known exploit to the game knowing that it may be detrimental to TG-style play on our server.

Cheers,

EDIT: And for clarity, any TG tag wearer is expected have read the TG Primer before wearing a tag. Futhermore, any player who has not read the Primer should not wear the tag.

Please don't drag me into this by implying I would approve of one style of play over another, or that I would be down on someone for doing this or that in a game I don't play. That much is directed to Skud, whom I count as a friend. No hard feelings. The rest is not directed to any particular person, even if it sounds like it is--it's not.

I DO know this: TF2 defies some of the basic concepts of acceptable playstyle that TG encourages simply by the nature of the game's design. This is not the first time a TG member's or TG IHS's playstyle in TF2 caused an uproar. It's not PR and it never will be. On the other hand, setting up a private server to farm, pad, uber or whatever, certainly doesn't fall under that umbrella, and I would expect that kind of happenstance to be discouraged in general.

That being said, here's my weigh-in, and it's personal, not a reflection of the Irregulars' goals. (Yes, there's a difference.)

• I don't play TF2, so I don't know WTH all this stuff means.
• I know and trust the administrators' judgment on issues like this.
• Any Irregular that is reported to me by an admin will certainly hear from me, and it won't be to chat about the weather.
• Any TG member who dresses down or starts to troll or flame another TG member in-forum rather than sending a constructive criticism in a PM needs to examine their own conduct.
• Ask me to weigh in on an issue--fine, but don't try to recruit me to a certain perspective to give an argument more clout.

There is a wide spectrum of playstyle here at TG, with many things skating the edge of exploits--some use them, some don't. In BF2, some turn their graphics settings down to make it harder for the enemy to hide, not because their GPU can't hack the load of high graphics settings. That would be an exploit in my book--if I were to do it--but I'm not them, and there's no rule against it, so I shrug and do my personal best.

As an almost full-time medic in my chosen game (POE2), I can see both sides of this argument--skip all the jockeying for position and advancement by using a console-command, vs. grind through like everyone else.

Back in the BF2V days, the "all/no unlocks open" servers made a lot more sense to me than the elitist "only people who play 20 hours a week can get something special" servers. There's my two cents, and that's probably exactly what it's worth in the long run.

Let the admins decide and go from there. Sorry, but here's a reality check: If I was moderator, I would have shut this one down already for the inflammatory title, never mind the stuff being said it it.

[saik0]

First off I'd like to identify myself as one of the members involved in the whoring session, and I'd like to comment on a few things that have been said. It's gonna be a long post, but that the end I'll wrap it up with what I think about the whole thing. I speak only for myself, and and not for any of the other parties involved be it participants, admins, or otherwise.

Originally Posted by TheFeniX

I've got a post in the admin forum discussing the situation right now.

That said, I think it would be prudent for members to concern themselves with populating the main server foremost, then worrying about achievements.

Actually Fenix you might remember that I was the first person on the TG pub server after you broth it back up following the server patch that fixed the problems. I stuck around till the server was full. And only left after experiencing half (mostly pubbies) the team whoring achievements on the main server anyways. It was then I decided to send a STEAM IM message to Magna to see how this unsanctioned event was going, and would up joining.

Originally Posted by TheSkudDestroyer

Go on ahead. Challenge me.

Sigh....here we go.

Originally Posted by TheSkudDestroyer

If any of you care, you should know that once apon a time, in BF2, TG was one of the few servers to stand proudly with no unlocks. No stat padding. No stats.

Yes, once upon a time we could not run a ranked BF2 server because we had some custom scripts to allow for the reserved slot system. Later, IIRC, we ran a ranked BF2142 Server. (Dont quote me on that I wasnt around as I took a gaming hiatus)

Originally Posted by TheSkudDestroyer

Is this what you're all becoming now? I told you not to wear TG tags for a reason. TG does not play for stats! I can't even put it into words how incredibly frustrated I am right now seeing 8+ TG players on our MATCH SERVER whoring achievements! You're not achieving anything.

This is actually an area of much confusion for me. Earlier we spoke of doing this on Gidget's server. I dont know who gidget is. Is this the person who hosts the match server? If somebody could let me know I'd appreciate it. Reagardless, I didnt even know I was on a TG server. I asked Magna what the IP of the server was, and he said something to the effect of "Just join via steam friend, the password is shameless" Also, On the time that I was on the server there there was a peak of 7 people, not 8+. Maybe there was more before, I'm not accusing you of exaggerating, but if you were please stop.

Originally Posted by TheSkudDestroyer

Call me a bully. Call me an idealist. Call me stupid.

Ironically you are none of these things. You are an instigator, and I grant you the Pyro's Academy Award for Flaming Excellence.

Originally Posted by TheSkudDestroyer

If this is really what you all wanted, then I don't want to be a part of any of it. Because to some of us 8.95 a month and countless hours of contribution meant something more than wearing a ****** TG tag. I don't pay 7 months in a row to support this crap on a TG server. I don't pay for a slot, or to be part of the 6th. I pay to support like minded players on TG servers - teamwork, TG-first, contributing individuals. Not this.

Look, the reason I and I'd expect many of the participants were involved in this was so we could get it out of the way in a quick and organized fashion. Because I too frown upon stat padding and playing in a way that goes against the team. The only major difference in viewpoint between you and I is that I view it as a necessary evil. I work on achievements to unlock weapons, so that I'm more of an asset to my team. So perhaps it is possible that I love TG as much as you do. And if you feel all participants involved should be castrated for abusing the TG match server thats one thing. But my love for the community is not what's on trial here.

The issue here is that there is no possible way for any TG member to unlock the new medic weapon on a TG server where they are enabled. This is because many of the achievements needed to obtain them require you to do things that are inherently against team play and therefore specifically against the rules. Theres a glaring Catch-22 here, what is the TG member to do? Does this mean that they should purposefully put themselves at a disadvantage?

I for one think this violation is, if anything, an opportunity. Maybe in the future we can allow the community to organize occasional and unsanctioned events for the explicit purpose of gaining achievements outside of any TG server. Otherwise this is only going to come up again later.

Edit: Or find some way to just enable all weapons for everybody.