I hope this thread does not get hostile. If this gets contentious, check your ego at the submit button and think before you post.

Several areas within TG are coming together in this game. Most of our games stress realism to some degree. Games like WoW, and now TF2 really push the limits of applying that "near simulation" phrase so often cited from the primer. Games like Project reality and ArmA are clearly geared towards pushing the game towards near simulation.

The rule set for TF2 is not yet established beyond "Use teamwork and don't be an ass." As more and more of us find this game, we may arrive with expectations about what is acceptable in a game due to the rules we are used to playing with in the TG games we came from.

If you are coming from a game like CS:S realism, or BF2:Project reality, you are probably used to no bunny hoping rules, extended down time when dead and other basic game changes to increase the reality of the game.

I sincerely hope we don’t confuse reality with tactics. We are TacticalGamer. Not RealityGamer. Yes, our roots are tactics derived from realistic combat sims. But trying to turn a game like TF2 into a game like Project Reality will ruin it.

I was playing this game for the first time today and the first thing that I noticed is that TG guys were not bunnyhopping and pubbers were hopping like freshly spawned bunnies.

I think that before long, TGers are going to be resentful at those that bunnyhop and will suggest a rule be made saying players can not bunnyhop.

I know bunny hopping is against the rules in many other TG games due to hit detection models being screwy when jumping and a lack of realism.

If bunny hopping is at the level of exploit in this game due to a hit detection problem, then lets move forward with implementing a rule. But if the problem is that bunnyhopping is unrealistic, I don’t think that argument holds water when applied to tf2.

Lets let fun motivate any proposed rule or game changes, rather than an attempt to improve realism.