Castle_3

Ponicus · 01-23-2008, 08:25 PM

Hi all,

So far I'm really enjoying the rotation. I really like Grand canyon and Turbine, they seem very thought out. Mach3 is also very cool.

Unfortunately Im just not diggin Castle. To me it doesn't feel laid out very well, it's imbalanced, some of the maps are poorly designed as in requiring 15-30 seconds of running just to reach the first point for example. The pacing feels very off. Compared to the stock maps and the other custom maps we've been playing Castle feels a little amateurish. Anyone agree or disagree?

I wouldn't mind if it left the rotation

Fish #641 · 01-23-2008, 10:27 PM

I like the fact that a solid push can break through the front, and right into the control point, but without good teamwork, it can be difficult. I do like the up to 30 sec of running at the beginning (usually blue has an engi or 2) because it gives RED snipers a chances to stop the initial push from winning the game.
Who is imbalanced for?

MagnaCentipede · 01-23-2008, 11:37 PM

Castle is a good map, but it takes time to grow on you.

**TheFeniX** · 01-24-2008, 12:28 AM

When you look at castle, it's actually just as balanced as dustbowl, if not more so. The early caps are easy to get with solid teamwork, but get progressively harder as you go on.

The problem is really this: it's not a standard map that's been played for the past decade. It takes some getting used to and until players work the map inside and out, it's going to have some issues. Try it a few times with some TG regs on, it might grow on you.

Ponicus · 01-24-2008, 08:10 PM

Thanks! Really great feedback. I'll definitely play it some more and try to uncover the strategies. I guess because it's really different than most of the other maps out there it does take some time to appreciate it.

Ponicus · 02-11-2008, 07:28 PM

Hi,

Can I put a vote or request out there to have Castle3 taken out of the active rotation?

My subjective reason is that of all the maps in the rotation I dislike it the most.

My somewhat objective reasons are that it's overall not that popular in the community so it's not really known and it also seems to be a server momentum breaker alot so for example the server is humming along full and Castle comes up and half of the server splits (including myself at times). Ive noted this happening a few times.

Anyways, just my opinion. I always oblige to the consensus of our great community.

**TheFeniX** · 02-11-2008, 09:45 PM

I'm always looking to rework the map rotation. Right now I'm still checking trends on the server and have a few other things to consider. But, I'll keep your request in mind.

MagnaCentipede · 02-12-2008, 12:37 AM

...I like Castle 3.

I haven't seen it clear out the server except when it's already really late. How has it fared in the map popularity polls?

Code:

ctf_2fort 	 	9	47.37%
cp_dustbowl 	 	16	84.21%
ctf_turbine_v3 	 	12	63.16%
cp_gravelpit 	 	15	78.95%
ctf_mach4 	 	11	57.89%
tc_hydro 	 	10	52.63%
cp_castle3 	 	12	63.16%
cp_well 	 	7	36.84%
ctf_impact 	 	8	42.11%
cp_science 	 	6	31.58%
cp_grand_canyon 	 	7	36.84%
cp_warpath 	 	8	42.11%

12 is certainly strong compared to known room-clearers like Warpath, Grand Canyon (T_T), and Well.

While Castle 3 isn't a favorite on every server in the world, the only map that is is 2Fort. Should we go 2Fort 24/7? The regs seem to like Castle 3 except for Pony and I'll just stab him until he learns to like it.

It's certainly better than Dustbowl. I F10 on dustbowl anymore.

Fish #641 · 02-12-2008, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagnaCentipede

It's certainly better than Dustbowl. I F10 on dustbowl anymore.

Heresy!

**Strag** · 02-12-2008, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagnaCentipede

...12 is certainly strong compared to known room-clearers like Warpath

Warpath may fare better now with the adjusted timers. I imagine folks started clearing out of Warpath in anticipation of the endless rounds....

Ponicus · 02-12-2008, 02:20 PM

Cool analysis, Magna. It definitely does have a strong showing on the server. With right tactics employed it does become a good map. It's still growing on me.

It's probably worth noting I never played the original Team Fortress so all the maps are (relatively) new to me.

**TheFeniX** · 02-12-2008, 02:51 PM

For the record, Castle isn't a TFC map from what I remember.

Doktor Goku · 02-12-2008, 03:05 PM

Personally, I'm not a fan of Castle at all.

If nothing else... it's bland and not visually interesting. I don't feel it flows too well, either. My two cents, anyway :P

MagnaCentipede · 02-12-2008, 04:50 PM

Dok, your two centavos are an idiot. Don't make me get my passport and come down there. You're not on Castle to sightsee, you're there to get stabbed by me. Besides, you are/were a 24/7 2Fort server player. That's like the VIP section of TF2.

Ponicus · 02-12-2008, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheFeniX

For the record, Castle isn't a TFC map from what I remember.

Thats right it isnt I believe. Being new to TF however means that all the maps are shiny and new, so for me I don't give a particular bias as to an old map from TFC and a new map created for TF2. I really like Turbine and Mach4 for example, even though they are made my modders they just feel tight and professional and detailed as if they could have come with the original game and I wouldn't have known the difference. My impression of Castle is not exactly the same.

01-23-2008, 08:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
Ponicus Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New York City Age: 31 Posts: 44	Castle_3 Hi all, So far I'm really enjoying the rotation. I really like Grand canyon and Turbine, they seem very thought out. Mach3 is also very cool. Unfortunately Im just not diggin Castle. To me it doesn't feel laid out very well, it's imbalanced, some of the maps are poorly designed as in requiring 15-30 seconds of running just to reach the first point for example. The pacing feels very off. Compared to the stock maps and the other custom maps we've been playing Castle feels a little amateurish. Anyone agree or disagree? I wouldn't mind if it left the rotation

01-23-2008, 10:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
Fish #641 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 516	Re: Castle_3 I like the fact that a solid push can break through the front, and right into the control point, but without good teamwork, it can be difficult. I do like the up to 30 sec of running at the beginning (usually blue has an engi or 2) because it gives RED snipers a chances to stop the initial push from winning the game. Who is imbalanced for?

01-23-2008, 11:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
MagnaCentipede Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,957	Re: Castle_3 Castle is a good map, but it takes time to grow on you. __________________

01-24-2008, 12:28 AM	#4 (permalink)
TheFeniX Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 26 Posts: 4,478	Re: Castle_3 When you look at castle, it's actually just as balanced as dustbowl, if not more so. The early caps are easy to get with solid teamwork, but get progressively harder as you go on. The problem is really this: it's not a standard map that's been played for the past decade. It takes some getting used to and until players work the map inside and out, it's going to have some issues. Try it a few times with some TG regs on, it might grow on you. __________________ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - TheFeniX's Steam Profile TG's Team Fortress 2 Steam Group

01-24-2008, 08:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
Ponicus Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New York City Age: 31 Posts: 44	Re: Castle_3 Thanks! Really great feedback. I'll definitely play it some more and try to uncover the strategies. I guess because it's really different than most of the other maps out there it does take some time to appreciate it.

02-11-2008, 07:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ponicus Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New York City Age: 31 Posts: 44	Re: Castle_3 Hi, Can I put a vote or request out there to have Castle3 taken out of the active rotation? My subjective reason is that of all the maps in the rotation I dislike it the most. My somewhat objective reasons are that it's overall not that popular in the community so it's not really known and it also seems to be a server momentum breaker alot so for example the server is humming along full and Castle comes up and half of the server splits (including myself at times). Ive noted this happening a few times. Anyways, just my opinion. I always oblige to the consensus of our great community.

02-11-2008, 09:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
TheFeniX Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 26 Posts: 4,478	Re: Castle_3 I'm always looking to rework the map rotation. Right now I'm still checking trends on the server and have a few other things to consider. But, I'll keep your request in mind. __________________ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - TheFeniX's Steam Profile TG's Team Fortress 2 Steam Group

02-12-2008, 12:37 AM	#8 (permalink)
MagnaCentipede Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,957	Re: Castle_3 ...I like Castle 3. I haven't seen it clear out the server except when it's already really late. How has it fared in the map popularity polls? Code: ctf_2fort 9 47.37% cp_dustbowl 16 84.21% ctf_turbine_v3 12 63.16% cp_gravelpit 15 78.95% ctf_mach4 11 57.89% tc_hydro 10 52.63% cp_castle3 12 63.16% cp_well 7 36.84% ctf_impact 8 42.11% cp_science 6 31.58% cp_grand_canyon 7 36.84% cp_warpath 8 42.11% 12 is certainly strong compared to known room-clearers like Warpath, Grand Canyon (T_T), and Well. While Castle 3 isn't a favorite on every server in the world, the only map that is is 2Fort. Should we go 2Fort 24/7? The regs seem to like Castle 3 except for Pony and I'll just stab him until he learns to like it. It's certainly better than Dustbowl. I F10 on dustbowl anymore. __________________

02-12-2008, 02:20 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ponicus Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New York City Age: 31 Posts: 44	Re: Castle_3 Cool analysis, Magna. It definitely does have a strong showing on the server. With right tactics employed it does become a good map. It's still growing on me. It's probably worth noting I never played the original Team Fortress so all the maps are (relatively) new to me.

02-12-2008, 02:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
TheFeniX Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 26 Posts: 4,478	Re: Castle_3 For the record, Castle isn't a TFC map from what I remember. __________________ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - TheFeniX's Steam Profile TG's Team Fortress 2 Steam Group

02-12-2008, 03:05 PM	#13 (permalink)
Doktor Goku Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 143	Re: Castle_3 Personally, I'm not a fan of Castle at all. If nothing else... it's bland and not visually interesting. I don't feel it flows too well, either. My two cents, anyway :P __________________ --------------- Doc-in-training

02-12-2008, 04:50 PM	#14 (permalink)
MagnaCentipede Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,957	Re: Castle_3 Dok, your two centavos are an idiot. Don't make me get my passport and come down there. You're not on Castle to sightsee, you're there to get stabbed by me. Besides, you are/were a 24/7 2Fort server player. That's like the VIP section of TF2. __________________

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