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    Have gun laws in the United States changed in the last four years?

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    But I bet you in four years the overall state of gun regulations in the country hasn't changed enough to matter either way. The Dems are going to try and get through some policies that are going to be hard enough to pass, they are not going to be pushing gun laws all that hard, I bet. They might use the threat to get some Reps or conservative Dems to go along with said policies.
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    Now, to find a way to remind us to bring this up again in four years...
    OK, so Google Calendar reminded me to bring this up again in four years. So here we are, almost done with President Obama's first term and I'm looking at the current state of gun laws in the US and I think I know who wins this bet.

    Anyone else care to chime in? Anyone able to dig up the thread where this started? Anyone horrified to see me back here?

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    Re: Have gun laws in the United States changed in the last four years?

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    Anyone able to dig up the thread where this started?
    Just hit one of the little grey arrows in the quotation box, it'll take you to a post in this thread.

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    Re: Have gun laws in the United States changed in the last four years?

    Just wait in the next four more years. Thats really when Obama will take away all guns by invading UN armies.

    Head said, will "try to give the sovereignty of the United States away to the United Nations. What do you think the public's going to do when that happens? We are talking civil unrest, civil disobedience, possibly, possibly civil war. ... I'm not talking just talking riots here and there. I'm talking Lexington, Concord, take up arms, get rid of the dictator. OK, what do you think he is going to do when that happens? He is going to call in the U.N. troops, personnel carriers, tanks and whatever."
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    Re: Have gun laws in the United States changed in the last four years?

    No, not at a federal level. But with the recent comments about a new AWB, I predict we'll see some changes in the next 4 years.
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    Re: Have gun laws in the United States changed in the last four years?

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    Just wait in the next four more years. Thats really when Obama will take away all guns by invading UN armies.

    He is going to call in the U.N. troops, personnel carriers, tanks and whatever
    --County Judge Tom Head, TX
    Too bad the U.N. has no army. The "Peacekeepers" are still member's of their respective nations armed forces and are extremely limited in when and where they can act. Also its too bad that "Non-use of force except in self-defence and defence of the mandate" is one of their three tenants. Sorry Judge Head, you won't get to see your dream of a UN invasion.



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    Re: Have gun laws in the United States changed in the last four years?

    Scary thing is I don't think he's dumb or that ill-informed. I can't imagine a judge not being informed enough to know that the UN is only a group of member nations and is not a political entity on its own. No matter what it all boils down to a ridiculous isolationist bend that tells Americans to be afraid of the world. Despite the fact that, all considering, the world should be afraid of us.

    No... instead the world is full of simple people who want simple things and listen only to the simple message. The message? Be afraid! Next week you wont have any guns.
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    Re: Have gun laws in the United States changed in the last four years?

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    No, not at a federal level. But with the recent comments about a new AWB, I predict we'll see some changes in the next 4 years.
    Maybe, but I suspect that Obama will have a lot more things that he'd rather burn political capital on than increased gun control.

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    Re: Have gun laws in the United States changed in the last four years?

    Pfft. Not in a polarized ineffectual congress where anti-scientists have more say on our education system than scientists.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. A tax upon house-rents, therefore, would in general fall heaviest upon the rich; and in this sort of inequality there would not, perhaps, be anything very unreasonable. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion-"

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    Re: Have gun laws in the United States changed in the last four years?

    I'm more afraid of Obama's picks for new SC Justices.

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/justic...3#.UIx3gcW-jkj

    Yes, he's retired - but there are others out there like him. And his blatent ignorance and mis-information is shocking.
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    Re: Have gun laws in the United States changed in the last four years?

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    No, not at a federal level. But with the recent comments about a new AWB, I predict we'll see some changes in the next 4 years.
    An AWB like Governor Romney supported and voted for in Massachusetts? " On July 1, 2004, Romney signed a permanent state ban on assault weapons, saying at the signing ceremony for the new law, "Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts. These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people." The law extended a temporary measure that had been in effect since 1998 and covered weapons such as the AK-47, Uzi, and MAC-10. The same law also modified some other aspects of general firearms licensing regulations."

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    Re: Have gun laws in the United States changed in the last four years?

    I may not agree with Justice Stevens, but coming from a background where I personally do not have a stake either way on gun laws, I would like to here a few thoughts from either side. For starters, why does everyone make such a huge deal about whether or not (for example from the article you posted) automatic weapons are banned when issues such as the economy and foreign policy (ex: dealing with syria) are much more important. In the grand scheme of things, what effect do the different styles of guns that people are allowed to own have (whether that effect be positive or negative) on America when people can not find a job and civilians are being massacred daily overseas?

    Personally I guess I feel like I must simply have different priorities then some people. My personal thoughts on the 2nd Amendment are the same for the majority of the social issues debated currently. I do not know why everyone puts such as huge emphasis on social issues when the economy and other issues are much more important (in my opinion).



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    Re: Have gun laws in the United States changed in the last four years?

    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    For starters, why does everyone make such a huge deal about whether or not (for example from the article you posted) automatic weapons are banned when issues such as the economy and foreign policy (ex: dealing with syria) are much more important.
    People tend to discuss or support/oppose things that directly affect them or they can be directly involved with. Buying a gun is done at the individual level, while foreign policy is handled by politicians.

    A regular citizen stating an opinion on Syria doesn't make one iota of difference in how that situation will be handled. Their opinion on guns could affect an election.
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    Re: Have gun laws in the United States changed in the last four years?

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    Personally I guess I feel like I must simply have different priorities then some people. My personal thoughts on the 2nd Amendment are the same for the majority of the social issues debated currently. I do not know why everyone puts such as huge emphasis on social issues when the economy and other issues are much more important (in my opinion).
    When things do not concern you directly, they're often prioritized less. For instance, I imagine you care about the potential availability of contraception or birth control a lot less than the average mid-twenties woman, and so a candidate's stance on contraception is not going to sway your opinion as much. Most of my friends are dependent on Planned Parenthood for birth control options and Ob/Gyn appointments, and so the right's stated desire to destroy PP is incredibly concerning. The PPACA helped, since many of them were put back on their parents' insurance plans, but that, again, is not really a point in favor of not caring about social issues. (I am assuming) that you aren't gay, so gay marriage/other rights don't concern you directly. You aren't in danger of needing an abortion, you aren't concerned about family being able to join you in America after you make enough money, you don't feel dependent on a gun for your safety, etc. You don't have to care about anything but the economy, because nothing else will directly affect you (in broad terms, and I am generalizing). This is why many people don't care about foreign policy currently, even though, IMO, they should.

    Alternatively, you don't see the longterm effects of (and these are my opinions) allowing and encouraging half of the political factions in the US to be held captive by a group of people who wish to redefine the world by their specific envisioning of an Abrahamic religion, that explicitly denies the basic tenets of the scientific method, has no concept of mercy or compassion, is unrepentently misogynistic, reactionary, and destructive, and serves to perpetuate a long-term social model that encourages unchecked capitalism and the idea that the world is fundamentally just. Capitalism can be good, definitely, but social policy can guide economic policy in very obvious ways. See: non-discrimination laws for hiring practices. Social policy, no? Huge economic impact, just less obvious than "my taxes went up oh nos!".

    And, with respect to Skud, I do not think there will be major challenges to gun control laws placed before the SCotUS for quite some time. As has been stated in many threads, I feel like most liberals feel they either lost the gun control debate, or feel like it has settled in a relatively comfortable place, or feel like it is the least concerning issue and focus on other things. However, that doesn't appear to stop people from trotting out "Obama's going to take your guns" and "Democrats are weak on the international stage", both of which are demonstrably false, at least with regards to our current president. (Answering a debate question about possibly looking at reintroducing an AWB while exploring other options, like the cause of violence in the first place does not count, in my opinion, as being indicative of gun control being a priority, especially when Carney followed up that up with a statement that there would be no explicit changes in policy. And while I, too, feel like this election is primarily important for the potential Justice picks, I obviously fall on the other side of the argument.

    So, Obama will not take your guns, he did not take your guns during the last four years, and if, every time there's a Democrat in an election, y'all continue to have heart attacks about it regardless of any facts to the contrary, I'm going to start investing in aspirin and nitroglycerin. And recommend that you maybe see a cardiologist.

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    Re: Have gun laws in the United States changed in the last four years?

    The talk about Obama's SC justices came up after and directly in response to the democrat's call to arms about Romney's SC justices and their stance on an array of social issues that have been decided in the last three decades. There is absolutely no reason to assume that Obama will call SC justices that would rule adamantly against guns on the flip it is more than abundantly clear that Romney's SC justices would advocate an aggressive assault on social advancements.

    But this a whole other topic.

    The point stands that there has been no war on guns and the one real piece of legislation on the federal level has expired. Despite all of this the current incarnation of the NRA creates a sphere of fear and uncertainty. They paint pictures that simply aren't true and obstruct meaningful advancements in the name of the power of a single political party.
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