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01-23-2006, 02:11 PM #16
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I confess that my initial reaction was pretty much the same as yours, Skeet. After some reflection, I've moderated it based on considering (A) the benefits of a guild bank, and (B) lack of alternatives to accumulate gold. My hope and is that the "dues" idea and the guild bank operation will offer the alternative to a straight money contribution...e.g. mats or saleable items will be welcomed and may be "as good as" money. Further, I assume that we will consider history. Giving substantially in the short term ought to be averaged out over time. As an example, suppose you contribute a recipe for a Crusader Enchant to the bank. That's worth 200 gold or more (approximately). That ought to cover a lot of weeks at x per week. Suppose I contribute one Essence of Air. That's 16-18 gold at the AH. Same deal...value at x per week. As you can see, this becomes a record-keeping monster...and thus one of the reasons we're taking so long to get all this up and running in "final" fashion.
Originally Posted by Ctuchik
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01-23-2006, 02:11 PM #17
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Id be more towars giving up trash items for quick coinage then requiring a due. I dunno we can alway discuss it more and have one of those nifty vote things. Those are nifty!!
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01-23-2006, 02:25 PM #18
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One of the ideas we are tossing around is to periodically get a raid together and go "farm" an area for 30 min or an hour, with the loot going to the bank. 10 ppl for 30 min in Tyr's Hand or other high level area is probably 20-50 gold or more...plus it's fun and a pleasant change of pace.
Originally Posted by Ctuchik
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01-23-2006, 03:00 PM #19
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If the required gold per week can be payed with items then it is fine by me, if not then i would have to seriously disagree with this. People with lower level mains can't afford a gold per week or anything per week really, but if they get a nice drop every now and then that is worth a few gold then this would cover them. And I also think that when deciding what to spend the money on things need to be taken into consideration. Yes using the money to buy epic items for the level 60 tanks and healers would help out the level 60s that run raids all the time, but the people with mains in the 20s 30s and 40s won't benefit from this at all for a very very long time. So spending the money on epic items is nice, but money should also be spent on items for these other levels so that they to can benefit from this guild bank.
[23:28] Wyzcrak: Exactly. There's no problem that can't be solved by the right topical creme or Google.
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01-23-2006, 03:10 PM #20
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Patience, Grasshopper! All this is being considered...including the idea that dues are only for level 50+ characters. Among the ideas...a fund for helping buy mounts (basic, not epic)...for main characters (not alts).
Originally Posted by Phantom
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01-23-2006, 04:40 PM #21
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Ive always given freely of my "Phat Lewtz" regardless of level. This is well known. Phantom if you need anything, never hesitate to ask. 9 times out of 10 I have it or can get it cheap, I know about 85% of the farmers on our server. There will be a sizeable chunk deposited to the guild bank in the next week or so to help with guild mount fund. I dont pretend to control the monies in the bank, But i will ask if we can start a seperate lowbie specific bank for all those toons level 49 and below to aquire needs from. Too ensure that that all monies are not being dumped into the 50+ fund I will donate a large chunk to the 49 and under bank toon. Kudos and good afternoon to all!!
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01-23-2006, 05:23 PM #22
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No matter how many alts you have, you just contribute with your main... besides, gold contributions - in the HKoA - were meant exclusively to the 50+ toons and wasn’t an obligation.
However, if the player doesn’t want to support the guild bank he won’t be able to access it.
We used to raid everything together, the BoE items not needed for any of the part members were sent to the guild bank.
If we solo any low instances such as VC, SFK, SM (or pick a few lowbies, since there are nice BoP gear) once a week we can collect items in benefit of the players below level 40.
The crusader plan idea, in my opinion, doesn’t work (i.e.: it sells for 200gp... you can’t stay 40 weeks without contributing), the bank needs money to maintain itself and support the guild.
The money from items sold in AH and the small raids in lower instances will be our contribution to help our lowbies.
While HKoA GM, I never used the bank myself, but many of my ex-guildies got a few of their tier 1 set from the bank. I’m pretty sure as soon as people start seeing the benefits the idea will be easily accepted.
I can’t imagine a guild bank without $ (in fact a bank = money in my conception) ... unless we wait enough time (months, maybe year) to get enough money in AH from unclaimed items.
Level 35-49 members will support helping the lowbies in minor instances (a 49 pally/warrior/druid) can easily solo VC, SFK etc... and/or help a group of 20ish in deadmines.
This system worked in the HKoA because we’ve decided to become an end-game guild. The knights, as whole, did not work due to some players’ immaturity and other problems but the bank was a great success.
While Aldrwin, my level 39 mage, is not a level 50+, I will be glad to support the guild with weekly gold and blue donations from our TG raids that I play with Sacredlord.
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01-24-2006, 01:31 PM #23
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Hey, ... ideas! I like this! So far the bank still has a lot of things that need to be decided on. If we're going to do a seperate fund for mounts, I'll create another toon for it and get that in the works, not a problem.
No worries about recordkeeping guys, ... I've set up a list of all current guild members both on paper and on my computer, and everything that has been recieved by the bank thus far has been documented, ... I'm a stickler about that, ... I even wrote down the donation of a Large Fang. There will be a solid list of who's contributing what.
Dues are a good idea, but I want to keep this open-ended so people don't feel like we're twisting their arm to donate. I just want them to enjoy their gameplay
Thanks for the input, it's definitely something to be discussed. 
/ghug
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01-24-2006, 05:20 PM #24
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Ok you guys know me and know I count you all as friends but this guild bank thing is not siting well with me. I was asked to go on a BRD run to what I though was to help get manny his gloves. At the end of the raid no lotto was done because I was told it was all going to be DEed and sent to the guild bank. the next time I went to strat with you guys again to help my friends out and again no lotto I know I have a staff and I am not an enchanter so the orbs that droped are not a need for me but I have bills in the game to and selling one in AH keeps me going. I just felt like a bad person if I were to ask if I could roll on the orb so I said nothing. and form what I am hearing about people in the guild having to give to the bank if you in the guild well I think I will just take my littl lock out I put him in there to keep in contact with my friends but if things are going to be expected of him I don't have the time or the want to really do all that.
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01-24-2006, 06:37 PM #25
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Sorry to hear you feel that Helle. The guild bank is going to go contribute to you warlock too, eventually. I know your busy with endgame, but also understand that a lot of these guys are PREPARING for endgame. A lot of these guys havent seen the the inside of MC, Onyxia, or even begun to live the horror that is BWL. Most of the guys will not be able to walk through MC and bid 1 DKP for tier 1 set pieces. This guild bank is going to give them acess to the things they need to get ready for all of this. I understand repairs become expensive. I also understand that orbs sell for a lot. I also KNOW for a fact that had PoA made the exact same run, only enchanters would have been allowed to roll on that orb. Need before greed always, beleive me, my tank got shafted on several chances at orbs because we had one enchanter with us. Im not trying to be all holier than thou here, merely trying to explain why things are happening. Anytime your on a run with me/us, feel free to ask to roll on an item. This is a much more reasonable approach than, " Im gonna take my ball and go play elsewhere." As far as your lock having to contribute to the guild bank, let me say this to you and to everyone: THE GUILD BANK IS NOT COMPLETE. We have not hammered out final details on what is going to be expected of who. If you dont want to donate items, then dont. If you cant, thats another story. I will push for a final guidelines to be established on these tonight if at all possible, pending officer attendance. This needs to be resolved quickly, as it is causing strain on a lot of people for no reason.
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01-24-2006, 06:59 PM #26
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Alright now, LISTEN UP!
No one needs to get all huffy about this. We have a guild bank. We are working our arses off to figure out the fine details so that it is fair and makes sense to everyone. Until that information is shared, everyone needs to go get themselves a cup of tea and chill out. Money, whether real or virtual, is something of value to all of us, and as such the officers are giving this the attention it deserves. Sitting here and shooting down the concept or taking your toys and going home before you've even given us the opportunity to present the idea properly is just over the top.
If you have some constructive recommendations on how to cover all of our bases, I am more than happy to hear it. If your purpose is to crap all over an idea that is supposed to help all of us in the long run, we can say screw the guild bank, and you're on your own instead.
People are excited to give items to the bank. If you need something, just speak up and say so. No one is going to be upset.
This is a positive idea that is being developed for the guild. At least give us the chance to develop it properly with the time we need to do it right.
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01-24-2006, 08:31 PM #27
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I think I need to clear a few things up first I still enjoy helping friends get there set items I still want to help manny and kossi get theres and in time Adrielle and other firends as they hit 60.
second I love the fact that you as a guild are getting ready for end game just saying my lock will not be 60 for a very very long time getting him to 60 is low on things I want to get done list is all I am saying you need people that are really trying to help the guild and have the time to. thats not me at the moment. endgame raiding takes up to much of my time you know that for a fact skeet thats one reason you left. I am not upset at all I just know the guild is changing to get ready for end game and my style of play at this time is more on the raiding guild I am in with my main than my alts thats all I am saying take it as you like.
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01-27-2006, 08:30 PM #28
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What sort of loot can I mail to tgbankerone? Is it mainly green, blue, purple items and gold? Can the bank use silk, mageweave, and higher level cloth and leather too? How about potions?
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01-27-2006, 10:40 PM #29
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Please hold on for the official word from the officers. All of your questions will be answered very soon.
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01-28-2006, 12:26 PM #30
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It maybe reasonable to have more than one guildbanker character maybe a number 2 or 3 to handle donated items such as runecloth. But I think a maximum number of slots should be available for any one item type at a time and excess can be given away with a who needs any in guild chat or converted to cash. Don't forget TGfaction I am not sure how it is doled out many items used for gaining factioncould be sent there.
"they're more like guidelines, than actual rules,"....Captain Barbossa - Pirates of the Caribbean
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