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10-11-2006, 07:03 PM #31
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Bear, no guild ever has Vael on farm status.
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10-11-2006, 07:05 PM #32
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Over the last six weeks they've wiped a total of 4 times on Vael. You tell me?
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10-11-2006, 07:14 PM #33
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I understand about the not having enough spots at time of invites or close to pull time but as I said in my post that is understandable. And it is important that we start on time because we start losing people if the raid gets too late then we don't get enough shots before people have to go and we have to start looking for replacement(which requires more time and some times leads to the raid being called). Originally Posted by Gambit7
All I'm saying is if you know that the pull time is 8pm server please be considerate to everyone in the raid who got there on time and get yourself there on time. Also if you commit to a certain raid please be there. If you are unsure you can make it please use the queue.
So is time important, YES! The earlier we start the more attempts we get in and this will entail lead to Vael or any other boss going down sooner rather than later."Remember that all things are only opinions and that it is in your power to think as you please."
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10-11-2006, 07:19 PM #34
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There is a solution to every problem. Just like, if you DONT have something on farm status then you need to ask yourself "what can I do to GET this mob on farm status?" or at least close to it.
The solution is NOT, "no guild has Vael on farm status, so we wont, so screw it." There is always a formula to maximize the amount of pwnage you can do, even with substandard gear.
Vael does have a luck factor - but I bet we could beat it.
edit: Time is only a factor when we dont kill the boss. It's only wasted when he's still standing and people have left early, not even bothering to replace themselves before dipping on the raid.
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10-11-2006, 08:03 PM #35
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I didn't spit on your suggestions, Bear, i spit on your example. And, there should've been a :P. so, my fault entirely for not letting you know it was a joke. Originally Posted by TG_Bear
We just started in BWL, And since we're only giving it two nights a week, it's going to take time. Once Vael goes down and we get the added confidence, The Broodlord, and the Three Drakes will drop like flies.
There's no problem with the strat, there's no problem with the people. it's the learning process. it's a bitch.
Again, sorry for making it easier for you to mistake a comment made in jest as an lack of respect for your suggestions._________________
I'm planning on respeccing to Irritation pretty soon. Granted, I'll lose the burst DPS from Pissing People Off Outright, but I'll get DoT's and higher damage through AoE's.
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10-11-2006, 08:13 PM #36
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Originally Posted by Gambit7
No, Siulung. no.
I have not once said 'We're not going to put him on farm status because nobody else does' I'm saying that Vael is impossible to put on farm status.
the general definition of a mob on farm status is a mob that can be killed with no problems, 99% of the time. Does the mob one shot you lots? No? Does the Mob constantly wipe all but two people in the raid on a consistant basis? No? then that mob is on farm status.
Lets look at Vael.
Does he routinely destroy Guilds wearing full Tier Two? Yes
Is it possible to kill him with two people standing? No.
If you get the 'Bad luck Vael' your group is dead. there's no way around it. There's little to No chance that you're gonna recover if half the raid goes down.
It's not an Ability thing. there's no way to stop Vael from blowing up your DPS first so you can't kill him in the three minutes. There's no way to stop Vael from blowing up all of the healers so that your raid dies as soon as the tanks go down. There's no way to stop him from Blowing up the warriors.
There will be Vael fights down the road, when we've killed him with no problem for weeks on end, only to have him kill us all 23 times in one night. Vaels like that.
When i say we can't put Vael on farm status, i'm not knocking the abilities of the raid. I'm pointing out that no matter how good we are, we're always going to have bad luck with vael. saying that we have him on farm status just makes us sound cocky, and gets us acting cocky.
And what happens when a boss on 'farm status' wipes the floor with us fifteen times? We get pissy. we start assigning blame to people... because, hey, this boss is on Farm status. We shouldn't have tanks dying, so obviously the priests suck. We shouldn't have mages dying unless they're exploding.. so obviously, the tanks suck.
See what i mean?
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I'm planning on respeccing to Irritation pretty soon. Granted, I'll lose the burst DPS from Pissing People Off Outright, but I'll get DoT's and higher damage through AoE's.
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10-11-2006, 08:48 PM #37
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I was referring to Phantom's comment.. not urs manny, although I know uve said the same in the past. Originally Posted by Phantom
Perception is 9/10's of the law here i guess. One man's farm status is another man's wipe.
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10-11-2006, 08:59 PM #38
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Here's my opinion on the UBRS buff.
By the time we were done with it, we were still waiting to fill the raid.
Enough said.
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10-11-2006, 10:09 PM #39
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Well just becuase I'm a stubborn old bastard I'll provide the WoWWiki link. It provides some nice detail about the fight and discusses the issue of FR.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Vaelastrasz#Fire_Resist_Info“Waiting to be awakened by some unexpected thunderous roar, never dying...the sleeping giant lives and will sleep no more”. - John Seabrook
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10-12-2006, 12:16 AM #40
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*skim skim skim skim* Humm...
Talara! Get your furry rear into BWL more!One technique that can prove useful is having a suitably geared bear spec'd druid as the first tank. As long as they are spec'd and geared appropriately, they will have no aggro problems, and this keeps one more warrior alive to execute after the 20% mark.My sanity is not in question...
It was a confirmed casualty some time ago.
Light, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I had to kill because they ticked me off.
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10-12-2006, 12:00 PM #41
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Back to the matter of logistics...
I found this guide for the first 3 bosses of BWL, it's very detailed and, while it may differ slightly from our technique, I learned a lot from it.
http://leftoversraiding.org/eve/foru...64/m/989104816
Big points:
Aggro is key (like we didn't know that...)
Everyone's FR should be as close to 200 as possible (minimum)
Suppression room looks awesome, let's get there! I wanna see it!
"What are the roots that clutch, what branches grow out of this stony rubbish? Son of man, you cannot say, or guess, for you know only a heap of broken images, where the sun beats, and the dead tree gives no shelter, the cricket no relief, and the dry stone no sound of water." --T.S. Eliot
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10-12-2006, 12:13 PM #42
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Because everyone in this thread needs a smile:
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10-12-2006, 03:18 PM #43
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How about this, and guild/raid leaders please feel free to tell me to shut the hell up and I will:
1 hour before each BWL Raid this weekend (Friday and Sunday), I will set up shop in BRS. Anyone, and I mean anyone, who wants the buff, melee or caster, I don't care, can come and I will give them the buff, they should then camp out and be ready for invites to the main raid 15 mins before the raid start time (that means hanging out in the TS channel and at the PC ready to go 15 mins before raid time) so they have it for as deep in as we can get. This keeps giving the buff from interfering with raid time, if you don't want it, you don't have to get it, but those of us who think it would help can get it.
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